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thats awesome! A/C is wonderful haha!
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Just a few small updates...

Pulled the HVAC controls One more time and painted them to match my newly designed console. ALso pulled the Speedo and changed out my UV LED's for 3 blue. - No pics of the lights, yet, and painted the top trim piece.




Oh ya, pics of the resoldered lights:


All of that fits into the little base... I discovered the trick to prevent (most) hotspots is to spread/angle the lights out as far as possible. Didnt turn out too bad IMO. The only other thing I am thinking about doing is adding a plain white LED under each needle.

Test fit the console and fit tonight before I go and start cuting up all that fancy bondo work for my switches and A/V input. I didn't realize it was at such an angle until I got the side shot. Clairon recomends NO MORE than a 30 degree angle front to back. SO... time to do a lil engineering and get it straightened up with at least the console so it can sit flush.






and last but not least-- a lil insight to my next "project."
The tweeter pods are getting an overhaul...


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what do you have in store for the tweeter pods?


that is also very cool! awesome work on it!
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Almost forgot-- Bonus Video!


I will replace this with a brighter one later-- the damn sun goes down to early... I want summer back please!


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what do you have in store for the tweeter pods?
I am going to build them inside that wasted area, horn style, with Fiberglass. The stock covers will be dissected and re-covered. This whole build is about Sonic Clarity and my passion to do it right this time. I don't think I will be able to do much more of this in the future.. so, now is the time to study, study, study, measure 5 times and cut once. Ya know what I mean?
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I am going to build them inside that wasted area, horn style, with Fiberglass. The stock covers will be dissected and re-covered. This whole build is about Sonic Clarity and my passion to do it right this time. I don't think I will be able to do much more of this in the future.. so, now is the time to study, study, study, measure 5 times and cut once. Ya know what I mean?
yea, i totally understand that. i dont like to have to do things twice either. why waste time doing it if you're going to have to redo it anyways... so you are going to reuse the stock covers?

i find that tweeters sound the best and give the best stage when they are on the A pillars facing the curve of the windshield. my dad and brother are heavy into SQ competitions, and they take firsts in their classes all the time. they have had the best sound stage and everything with this setup. most guys rock it like that at car shows too.

what are you planning on running for components? amps?
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I am not a big fan of the a-pillar mounts... and I think that would distract from the "theme" of this install. I am sensitive to mid and hi pitched sounds and the windsheild reflections seem to dang bright for my tastes. And believe it or not, the stock locations are VERY close to be on the same verticle plane as the mids in the doors.

The front stage is Diamond Audio and the sub stage will be handled by MTX. One of my favorite sounding subs. total system power is under 800w. All amplifiers (possible three if I can find a 5.1 surround sound Decoder cheap) are MTX.
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This should help explain-- I copied it from my post on a private audio forum I am a member of:
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Door Pods.

And so It begins, after all the reading, research, contemplating, and reading some more... it is finally time to get serious.
First thing I want to do is share pictures of the potential speaker placement. Pardon the mess, my light was fading quickly so I didn't take time to vacuum and clean up this weeks worth of use. I Can NOT wait until I can move and actually park on a solid surface and not a Field of weeds. Enough babbling...

From what I have read it is beneficial to have your tweeter and mid driver on axis. Correct me if I read this wrong, but, with the way I am going to glass in the bottom of the doors, I will be VERY close if not perfectly vertical. (by moving the mid forward just a little.)





And this location is pretty far forward in the passenger cabin as seen in this picture.


From Passenger seat looking at left side


From Passenger seat @ Passenger side


From drivers seat @ Passenger side


From Drivers seat at Driver side



and here is my First question (of many I am sure)

The tweeter location, stock, is where I am considering mounting mine, as seen previously this ends up being a great location, both in keeping a OEM appearance, preventing reflection off the windshield, and alignment. BUT, it is at least 7 inches inside the plane where the mid will be mounted. Is this going to cause any imaging issues?



this picture was taken looking down at my thigh and the side of the seat to give an example of how far I plan on bringing the face of my pod out. It will cover that factory ledge and but up against the seat, or at least VERY close to it.


looking straight down, you can see this should not look out of place due to the design of the armrest and how far it protrudes.
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Re: :::LilMsPrelude::: 1992 Si

Lookin good Renee! Unfortunatly your pics don't do the wrinkle finish justice. It looks really cool! I don't think your. Tweeters being inboard slightly will hurt your imaging. Since your dipping your toes in to fiberglassyou may wanna concidertrying to make tweeter housings to set the tweeters deeper into the dash. Your distance may help overcome the width. Because keep in mind your tweeters will be much brighter than the mods because they will be closer. I've always thought of wanting the tweeters equal distance from your ear as the midrange. Rather than a vertical plane. Hence why I coax tweeters. If you wann pick my brain just hit me up. I always like bouncing ideas off my friend at work.
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Thanks for the ideas Jesse. I am going to do the ol velcro test and try them in different places/aiming until I find a sound that pleases me. They arent to bad in the door.. but the staging is very close because of it, know what I mean? My goal is to recess them as far back as possible in that wasted space. Then I will cut up the stock tweeter housing/cover to give it as much "freedom" as possible.

I am up in the air over the wrinkle paint... I may just go for an actual vinyl, or fabric. I will try and let it grow on me... I just don't know.
Those pics were taken after the sun went down. I will get some better day time pics up.

I put some gloss finish clear coat on it thinking that may change my mind and give it a shiney protected finish like the rest of the vinyl in the car. We will see.

Remember, my goal is to have everything hidden in plain site. It is supposed to look like something that Honda would have done. Like a custom Stock appearance. Hence, again, why I am just not grooving on the wrinkle paint. *sigh*
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You may want to look into a material called Allante, its a vinyl. Its what my upholstry guy got me for the IB panel. Its kindof a semi flat sheen. I dont know what you use for cleaning but I like the Meguiars natural finish. It doesnt dull but doesnt gloss it up and this material blended very well with the plastics in the rear. Had a good grain too. A lot of times a generic vinyl has an aftermarket look and feel.

You saw what I was getting at with the fiberglass work right? by doing a "horn" the tweeter would sit inso your not losing your sound in the back of the dash, even though those high frequencies are pretty directional. If you descide to do something like that just remember to give the housing a good texture so you dont get reflections.
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looking good!
like all the custom stuff youve got going on.
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And it Finally starts. After messing around with different products, techniques, and hashing out ideas in countless threads;

The ACTUAL Audio portion of my (re-)build Starts here.
This time, and hopefully the LAST time, I am designing this around sonic clarity and realism, rather than sheer volume. I've Never had a system I considered nice enough to compete with either... so, we will see....

Without further ado:


I am still trying to get used to the amount of resin I need to mix, how much hardener to add for any given amount, and when to step away and just leave it alone to do its thing.
first, the victim today is the drivers side tweeter location
Stock:


The dims I am working with:
Left to right (width)

Back to front: (depth)

Height:


Preparing the Cavity:

Fill with A moistened clay (- for longevity of working it)

Determining max size:


Adding tweeter cup

It got a little exciting aiming this one and I forgot to take a picture(s)-- the laser light test has the center of the tweeter pointing right at my right ear... not quite at the dome light. Keeping in mind I have at least another 15 to 20 degrees of adjust-ability because I am using the tweeter mounting swivel base cup.
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So anyways, after a lot of shaping and adjusting I think I have the tweeter location finalized.
Here the tweeter cup is removed.


Depth from center of tweeter cup to Grill cover:



Getting ready for Fiberglass:


My first attempt, I did the classic noobie mistake and tried to over work it with a mix that was too cool. The weight of the FG and resin - tooooo much resin, made the top of the "horn" type baffle fall.
Thank Gawd for the extra prep work, and failure to use glue to set the aluminum foil in place, I literally folded the garbage out into its own little packet and threw it away.

The next attempt we used spray glue to hold the alum foil and the first layer of FG matt to the top of the "horn."
FG down and waiting to set. View from Driver seat, looking through steering wheel.


From Passenger seat, zoomed in, looking through steering wheel.


Just my luck I screwed off long enough today so I pplaced a heater in my car, closed her up, and stopped for the night.
My future son-in-law wants to learn along side me so he will be here tomorrow morning and we will continue our lil saga.
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well.. it got cold today and started to rain so I didnt get to work on these much more than what I had accomplished yesterday..

For your entertainments.. .I haz Moar Pics!

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MOAR Measuring.... a LOT actually! I wanted to immitate the left tweeter pod as closeley as I could. Hence why the left side was left in place whil I "built" the right side up.


Missed taking pictures of the "clay Packing" process... but you get the idea... get your general horn shape going then add the tweeter cup... I wrapped it in Saran Wrap and then covered the backside with clay...my goal here was to create a solid throat for the cup to sit in when I cut the backside out of it. ALl the reading and reserch I did for this type of "baffle" repeated over and over again the the transition from the tweeter to the throat/horn was imperitive!




I hopped in the back and held the camera at the dome light to take this picture.




Protected the car with drop cloth and did a big ol batch of FG. I think I am getting the temperature/mix thing figured out.
I only "jellied" a little bit of resin.. lol.
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Moar....








The Only problem with using clay...

The clean up:




Tomorrow I am going to try and get another layer of glass on the outside of the horns -- or do a nice thick layer of kitty hair (better?) and start sanding/filling/sanding/and prepping the inside of the horn.
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Lookin good LilMissy! That phone holder is BA! Is that JDM?! Lol I wouldn't imagine yoy need to add any glass to the outside. Can you squeeze the horn and make it flex? If not its plenty solid. Jus holding the tweeter strength is not of upmost importance. How are you going to be finishing the horn? Some sort of wave breaking material? Will you have covers over the pod? Like grill cloth? If you want something to keep waves from reflecting in your horn simple carpet lining in the horn would do the job. Are you still gonna do 2 5 1/4s in the door? Just an idea picked up fron Manville Smith (marketong director I believe.. For JL Audio) enclosure with passive radiator...... wheels turning yet?
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LOL Jesse... you know me so well...

I did go ahead and add another layer of matt to it yesterday... They were too flexible... and you know how I over do everything... *sigh* - Today I am going to fit them for mounting and finish cutting the edges so the stock tweeter covers fit back over it... lets just say, they will be lighter a few ounces. Then it is on to the body filler.. I will keep that idea of a fabric inside the horns instead of a gloss paint.

I am still at a loss what I am going to do with the doors... I have a 6" Diamond mid (components) to go in, but I was thinking of building ahead and leaving room for a 5.25 or 3" in case I ever decide to go three way active. --basically I would be cutting it in as a removable/swappable plug. ya know?

Oh, and about the phone holder... smartass... I have Tom-Tom on my Phone and I need it somewhere it is visible and safe. And that is no cheesey arse mount either mind you... LOL!
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Soooo....updates?????
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havent had time... these door sills are all I can do right now... And since my so called freinds are Lying ASSHOLES, I have been assembling them by myself. My brother helped me a LOT last night with the cleaning, cutting up the diffusers, and getting them glued to the sill itself...

right now I am just adding the power wires (soldering them on and securing with heat shrink) so they can get out the door on Monday-- I HOPE...

anyways.....

I look at that empty hole and want to finish this part soooo bad.... As soon as I get this initial BULK order out, it won't be so bad. Then to finish the remote start issue, AND Hopefully there is enough warm days left to get filler on these things and get em painted!!!
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holy jebus this thread = FULLLLLL of win!!!!!!

can't wait to see how it turns out!
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WOW! You, Ms., are the most mechanically-inclined woman on Earth. Period.
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thanks guys.... Just did some troubleshooting and found out I get to replace the fuel pump and main relay tomorrow night.
The only thing I can assume is that when the fuel pump died, it spiked the relay and blew out the diodes? That's how it tests anyways.
Thank GAWD I'm old and have good insurance--towed 100 miles and no $$ out of pocket... *giggles*

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Woot-WOOT!

New fuel pump and Main relay replaced.. and my baby is running again!

And I did it myself!!!!!
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Good deal LilMissy! Just seems funny, you're excited about putting in a new relay! *In reference to-see above 3 pages of progress* LOL
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all right, as prommissed... here is what I am up to now.

as mentioned, my fuel pump died, so I had to replace it. This was the excuse... errrr... opportunity I needed to take my interior apart... but why? you will see.

I discovered it was MUCH easier to get to the fuel pump if I removed the center console, seats, and cross brace behind the back seat, this also meant all the hidden wire, dirt and garbage hidden for so many years Had to come out too! Since I was racing the sun to get this done, I didnt get all the pictures I wanted to, namely the dissasembly of the interior, but as I put it back together I will post a nice DIY.
I only took the time to clean around the fuel pump access--which, looking at the pictures, I didn't do NEAR a good enough job.



The good news is that the inside of the tank was incredibly clean.




Minus a crap load of old wires that Ive not used, nor seen the necessity for.



New fuel pump hooked up and ready to go back in.


cleaned all debris, dirt, etc from around the access hole and silenced it with a sheet of damplifier pro.



I have 26 square feet of Damplilfier just waiting to be used, so, after a quick survey of my cars sexy lines, contours, and possible noise causing issues, I decided to silence the MANY plastic pieces. I mean, think about it, we put a TON of bass in our trunks, and how does it get into the passenger cabin.....

The long center console


the metal/tin NOISEY supporting piece for the center console, between the rear seats and the stock subwoofer baffle


Passenger side ski hole/ pass through trim:


My next victi... uhhh... project is the two rear passenger side pieces...I think i am going to find a nice black or gray vinyl to replace the factory "insert" with. So that will egt done at the same time I am deadening it.
Here is is pre- any work.



my overall goal at this stage, is to do as much deadening as possible, run all of my system wiring, and clean, clean, clean. I have found so much mold and disgusting residue from spilled coffee, soda, and GAWD knows what else. What disgusts me is I KNOW who the previous owner was... I just can imagine... ewwwww....
The old carpet MUST come out, I cant even imagine what nasty mold spores I have been breathing.... aaaccccchhh... :sick:
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ahh booo, covering up the sexy HUMMMM of the fuel pump?? boooo
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