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longer front tie rods?

I was wondering if anybody knows of a set of longer front tie rods that will fit on our car. I need a set that will be about an inch longer, as I'm widening the front track a little bit on my race car, and the stock tie rods won't reach. I was thinking about cutting the current ones and widening them, but I'd rather not do that unless I can't find anything else.

I know that my old ford escorts had lots of adjustability built into the suspension and steering, allowing for things like that to be done. But I'm having many problems doing things like that on the prelude.
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Re: longer front tie rods?

I guess my first question is how do you plan on increasing the track in the first place? The way I am picturing it if the lower control arm was lengthened between the crossmember and the fork bushing, this would change the angle of your strut fouling the mounting at the top. The sway bar might not mount up properly either. The other way would be to lengthen the LCA between the fork bushing and the knuckle mount to which yes, you would have problems with tie rod length, but also your CV's are going to be too short. If you have a way of doing this without compromising the LCA strength I'd love to know how. Adjusting the tie rod length on the stock suspension will only change the toe too, and I think there is a fair amount of adjustment in the stock one.

An easy and common way of getting extra track width would be to use spacers or get a lower offset set of wheels. A bit of extra track width can be good for extra roadholding but will increase the steering effort, wear out your wheel bearings quicker and since it lowers your movement ratio the suspension will feel softer. I can only assume that in the course of all this you will be modifying the hell out of your guards.

Have I completely missed the mark with what you are trying to do?
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Re: longer front tie rods?

Well, I'm going to be running an accord lca to widen the track, and give me more camber on the right front corner of the car. I'm not going to be running a front sway bar, as front sway bars unload the inside front tire and cause the tire to loose traction. I'll be running stiffer springs to make up for running no sway bar. The cv's will be able to handle it. I know someone that runs these cars and he has no problems when it comes to the cv's. (he cut and lengthened his tie rods, but I don't feel comfortable doing that. )

We can't run wheel spacers in this class of racing. They are against the rules.

And yes, my fenders (guards to you Aussies.) will be modified (cut out) to make sure the tires don't rub.

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Re: longer front tie rods?

****!!! Damn auto-logout made me lose the whole post.

Lets see if I can remember.... Something about don't cut lower control arms as it will = death... I think I'll continue to run the stock front sway bar and a heavier rear as I think having an unloaded inside tire is better than an overloaded outer, but it sounds like you have done your homework so I won't argue..... Then I led into a rant about the silly differences between the lingo in our respective countries.

I did a search on some manufacturers websites and it looks as though the tie rods from a 5th gen base model are 237mm instead of the 222mm ones in the SH's and our cars, gives those guys heaps of grief. Might be worth checking to see if the thread and that are the same, they look very similar in pics.
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Re: longer front tie rods?

hate it when that happens.

I won't be cutting the lower control arm. I'm going to be running a cg (6th gen) honda accord lca, which is a bit wider. And yeah, it does load the outside front a bit more, but not as much as you'd think, as we run different spring rates for each corner, and different tire pressure for each corner. Plus the car will be lowered a few inches, so the lower center of gravity should help keep the car from leaning (and overloading the outside) as much.

And I'll have to look into those tie rods. Thanks for the info
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