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Old 05-30-2015, 02:55 AM
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Bushing Opinions

So I'm just about at the point where I'm going to be tearing out the whole rear suspension for my big 4WS delete that I've been talking about but not delivering on for many months now, and I figure since I've come back from Japan with some extra cash I might give all the bushings back there a little attention while it's all apart. I am going to get the Energy Suspension Master Bushing kit for certain to rebuild all the minor bushes (since it's still cheaper than buying just the kits I need individually) but I'm not too sure about using urethane LCA and trailing arm bushes on a track-only car. My only experience with Urethane are my rear sway bar mounts, but they're 10 years old now and I've had no problems yet.

Now I always thought when talking solely about hardness:
OEM < Urethane < Harden Rubber < Spherical bearings
This says nothing at all about durability though. However, I have found conflicting information that Energy Suspension bushings are 95A compared to only 80A for harden rubber. I have also read many conflicting things about using Urethane LCA bushes, many say they're great (especially on Preludes) and many say they're horrible and will disintegrate quickly with track abuse. My intention was always to go straight up to Hard-Race spherical bearings and be done but now I'm not so sure since they'll cost about $740 just to do the back end (vs $330 for Hard-Race harden rubber), and I'm not convinced they'll be of enough benefit to warrant the extra cost. Obviously the Urethane ones come in the ES full kit so I'm counting them as essentially free, I'd only have to add the trailing arm kit and can do the whole car. Since removing the old bushes and pressing in the new ones is such a pain too (I'll probably have to get a shop to do it since I don't have access to a press) I really only want to do it once, and I'm more of a do it right the first time kinda person. So, has anyone got any experience/thoughts etc. they can share?

I'm currently leaning towards going with the ES master bushing kit and rear trailing arm kit. If it's good enough for Merlin then it's good enough for me. BTW, I'm sticking with my Tein Superstreets for the moment so I don't think the bushes will be what's letting me down no matter what I end up with, since the Teins are under dampened and the springs are too soft for a track car. While it's all apart I'll be putting in new Hard-Race sway bar links and I'll be using the Hard-Race rear toe arms for the 4WS delete, so I don't think I'm leaving anything out.
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Re: Bushing Opinions

Well.

Guess Byk was right, most of the questions on here these days are maintenance related or 16 year olds asking which coilovers/wheels to buy. Next time I'll get Mat to ask for me so at least I'd see a couple of dozen flames.

Regardless, I've ordered the ES master kit, ES trailing arm kit, Hard-race rear toe arms and all four hard-race sway bar end links. This biatch is gonna be tight as a drum soon.
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Well.

Guess Byk was right, most of the questions on here these days are maintenance related or 16 year olds asking which coilovers/wheels to buy. Next time I'll get Mat to ask for me so at least I'd see a couple of dozen flames.

Regardless, I've ordered the ES master kit, ES trailing arm kit, Hard-race rear toe arms and all four hard-race sway bar end links. This biatch is gonna be tight as a drum soon.
Yeah, ole Mat seems to like being hassled. I have a soft spot in my heart for that guy...I was him about 3 decades ago....

You may have noticed little to no input from me regarding after market setups. I know stock, I like stock, and prefer not to comment about non stock applications other than the occasional flame thrower. I usually read here or other forums to learn in those cases. If I'm thinking of moving beyond stock I check out Lindso, OGSMAKDADE, Jackpot, Ferdie, Garuruman, or other top shelf builds in the members rides. Or I wait for your reply in many cases....
I left out Wings' build since it's only mentioned over at Prelude Central, which btw is a very uncluttered site with lots of know how from sure enough experts.
Unlike facebook, pc is a place where 'which wheels should I buy?' don't cut it. No offense FLA, but facebook is a ridiculous place to score knowledge unless you manage to get into an exclusive club...which in many are very clicky and end up chasing off a lot of good talent.

To be honest Tassie, I was kinda surprised to see you asking opinions of others since (imo) you are one of the more knowledgable folks around here who is still active. I've learned a lot from your input.
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To be honest Tassie, I was kinda surprised to see you asking opinions of others since (imo) you are one of the more knowledgable folks around here who is still active. I've learned a lot from your input.
Thanks Byk, that means a lot coming from you. I am a big fan of researching for myself every single nut and bolt in the car before I start anything, so if I'm at the point of asking a question then it means I'm well and truly stuck. Also means some of my posts end up being a G.R.R. Martin length epic though.

I had checked out a lot of the rides of the members you mentioned (and then some), but there's a difference between knowing what someone has and knowing how it feels, if they like it, the trouble they had installing it etc etc. I feel like I'm letting down the 'lude community looking at others rides and seeing the attention to detail compared to my poor old beast. It's the main reason I haven't started a build thread, she runs smooth as butter but the paint looks truly horrible so she isn't very photogenic.

And yes, Facebook is the devil. I've tried a few times over the years to jump on that bandwagon but I just can't, it's too much like being back in high-school again. We've all said it recently, the Prelude community is slowly fading away. It's just a sign of the times, most people aren't as interested in these 15-30 year old cars anymore, the guys who built these communities are moving on with their lives. I think interest in cars, modding and motorsport on the whole is fading away too though, especially in my neck of the woods. True Prelude enthusiasts know the score and will huddle together in the corner defending themselves from the rampaging hoards of Skyline owners... I'm starting to rant, must be time for coffee......
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Check out Honda Roots.com for some wind in your sails. The resurgance or interest in the Prelude isn't much beyond the 1st gen, I think mainly because the interest in anything beyond '79 just isn't there yet....

Regarding the novels, yeah right many folks these days see 60+ words with no pix and go "welp, I'm done." after the 2nd sentence.

Concerning a build thread, some showcase genuine masterpieces of ingenuity and intellect while most of us just enjoy sharing our interests with anybody who cares to notice. Both the good and the bad can be just as entertaining if ya tell the story right. Sure, the guy with a 16psi turbo, or 230 na horsepower to the wheels get lots of "ew's and ahh's"...but the general build to improve the condition of a particular car breeds motivation for the rest of us to reach a potential our budgets and know how can actually obtain.

Being from a generation that saw the inception of EGR's and catalytic convertors, all these sensors, solenoids and sniffers are bewildering to this guy. I'm still stumbling my way through the process of fuel injection coupled with computer driven smog controls. So forget about which polyester bushing where will get you through the corners faster without jar-ing fillings loose. I ask my kids in those cases. Or pm the folks who actually talk to me here at pz...
I just try to pass on what this place, and lots of reading combined with turning wrenches has taught me as time passes. Right many youngsters never have anybody take 10 minutes to explain things. And for every time I'm ignored or argued with, the occasional 'fixed it, thanks' makes all the aggrevation worth it to me. I get the big thrills from see-ing the youngsters teach themselves.
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