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Spring rates

I recently posted this in the 5th gen section and received no replies....I realize now that was a mistake. I drive a 5th gen and was only thinking 5th gen, but this is a stance question. . . . .

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Im getting ready to buy a koni/GC set up and will be on 16 and 17 inch wheels(i change shoes alot:) what is a good spring rate to have? This is mostly a weekend car so ride stiffness isn't a big concern but I don't want to break my back driving.

Also, what are your spring rates?

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Re: Spring rates

I have the Koni/GC setup as well with 400 in the front and 450 in the rear. The guys at GC recommended to me not exceeding 500 on a daily driven car as that stiff of a spring rate will greatly increase the stress and wear on your shocks. 400/450 is pretty stiff, however I still use 15" tires with a big sidewall, so a 400/450 setup on your car with 16/17" wheels and thin sidewalls will probably be a lot rougher. For your setup I would probably go somehwere in the area of 300-350 for the fronts and 325-375 for the rears. You don't HAVE to go stiffer in the rear, I just prefer it to be a little stiffer in the rear to help counter understeer.
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Re: Spring rates

cool, thanks for the input and tips. I don't really know too much about spring rates by # or how it actually relates(feels while driving) to the car. I understand how the coil and shock system work and the differences between coilovers and mixed set ups just not the rates and how they'll effect the ride. so thanks again

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Re: Spring rates

All of the 'preset' spring rates that companies offer have a stiffer spring in the fronts than rears, if having a stiffer rear counters understeer why would they be sold as a stiffer front rate?

would it be to counter for the extra weight of the engine or is there another reason?
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Re: Spring rates

bc racing "default" spring rates
F 10kg/mm
R 5kg/mm

IMO the rears could be little bit stiffer than that...
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Re: Spring rates

hm...
I found this too:

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Re: Spring rates

I know its more of a personal choice but I've been hearing a lot about the BC full coilovers...I've been pretty dead set on the koni/GC system but I'm starting to waver and since they are different(BC a full coilover, and koni/GC a strut/shock combo) its kinda hard to compare. This is also all new territory for me(I've done some engine and other work,but with help) as this is my first build(by myself) and I'm "doing it right the first time" as much as I'm reading/learning/doing, I dont have much experience or preference really... so any new knowledge helps!
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Re: Spring rates

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I'm "doing it right the first time" as much as I'm reading/learning/doing, I dont have much experience or preference really... so any new knowledge helps!
I searched this subject little bit and I ended up getting BCs (it was D2 vs Tein vs BC) because their price/quality-ratio seemed to be the most reasonable

and Ive been happy with them
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Re: Spring rates

I don't know why the default rates always have stiffer springs in the front, doesn't really make sense to me.
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Re: Spring rates

right, my first choice was Tein, but after talking to some people on here I was turned off of them and decided to go to koni/GC since I've never heard a bad thing about them. However I also have only heard good about the BCs, so now I'm deciding between a full coilover or a shock/strut system
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Re: Spring rates

I've had the Koni/GC setup on two Preludes and I love it. Customer service and quality from both companies that can't be beaten. BC seems to be establishing a good reputation for themselves as well, although I'm not sure if you can order custom spring rates with the BC coilovers.
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Re: Spring rates

thats good to hear! I've been looking around more and I'm thinking of going 325f/350r. should there be more of a gap in the rates? like 300f/350r, 325f/375r? I was kinda set on 350f/400r because alot of people are saying that 400 isnt too bad, but then I see a few that have 400f/450r and said it was terrable! so I'm thinking of staying more in the 300 range, since also a few OTS rates are at 250 and people complain that therse are far too soft..
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also I'm trying to fine the cheapest prices by name obviously, and was recommended an eBay listing....as long as the products are name brand I should be good right? or should I stick to a reputable company(like THMotorsports) and shell out a little more $$?

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Re: Spring rates

Yes, you can order custom spring rates from BC free of charge. They will also re-valve them for free if you want higher spring rates.

Also offer an extreme low option free of charge if that is your goal.

All included in the $999 shipped price. Or the group buy here I think is $900.

I have 10/8 kg/mm f/r. Equivalent to 560/450 lb/in.
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although I'm not sure if you can order custom spring rates with the BC coilovers.
of course you can + you can choose between rubber or metal upper mounts
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Re: Spring rates

Well now BC sounds just as good too... and I like the ease of a complete system.
wow, i feel like 560f/450r is like crazy stiff... how does that ride? and why did you not go stiffer in the rear than the front? I thought that you could counter understeer and gain control that way? or is it a better advantage to have stiffer fronts?

I just dont want to drop 1k $ and hate them, or want different,
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how does that ride?

I just dont want to drop 1k $ and hate them, or want different,
well depends what one likes. I like em, theyre kinda stiff but not rock hard. of course you can also fine tune damping little bit so....
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Re: Spring rates

Right, if only I could test them!!
I thought I was set at 325f/375r but a 560f/450r setup seem so much different, will the 300s be like jello then? I do like a little stiffer ride and dont want a ton of flex as to not bottom out but I also dont want to bet my chassis to hell either
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sounds like function and form type1's or 2's maybe in your ball park lol but bc's are nice for sure I personally like d2's just for the purple -_- I heard they leak after a while fairly easily and I forgot the spring rates ont ype1's but I know they are in the medium stiffness to softness wise
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Re: Spring rates

that BC's default spring rate is ok for DD

maybe I would change that my rear 5 to 6 though
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ha Im still having a hard time deciding which to go with.. BC or the koni/GC
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Not trying to take away anything from bc but the majority, by FAR, of autocrossers and weekend circuit guys I know run the Koni/gc setup on their cars. It's just a functional, well performing, reliable setup.
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thats good to hear I was alread pretty set with those so I think I'm going to stay with them, and go with a 325f/375r rate cause I want a stiff set up but nothing thatll break my back. and the 325/375 seems to be about in the middle of too hard and too soft I think. plus if I dont like the rear that stiff I can just switch the springs for a more "normal"ride
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wow, i feel like 560f/450r is like crazy stiff... how does that ride? and why did you not go stiffer in the rear than the front?
I like being able to take turns at higher speeds and not have as much body roll without having to ride all the way stiff on the dampening adjustment.

I thought my Tein SS were way too soft (449f/224r), so I got stiffer on my second setup.

And stock springs are even slightly stiffer in the front.

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hmm.. yeah I'm getting this to put in with the coils and maybe an under frame support later. so I should do something like 10k/7k which is like 560/392. that seems crazy different than my orignal thought but you seem pretty set on yours in that thread, and youve had a chance to try them. Plus Ive heard a few people run the Skunk2s and not complain of harsh ride, and they are 400/500.

Here is a convertion chart I found from k/mm to lbs/in
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CG+KONI noob saibot pretty much hit it on the head. You can get his setup if you put your lude on a diet. The main advantage of the GC coilover is if you should blow a shock, you're not without a car, regular shock and spring in one corner waiting for new coilover FTL.

Anything higher than his will actually support more than 1 occupant, lol
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also I'm trying to fine the cheapest prices by name obviously, and was recommended an eBay listing....as long as the products are name brand I should be good right? or should I stick to a reputable company(like THMotorsports) and shell out a little more $$?

4540 01 Ground Control coilover Springs 92 01 Honda Prelude | eBay

Koni Yellow Sport Shocks Struts Set Honda Prelude 97 01 | eBay
Also what do you think about this? the name brand produkt is there, it's just through ebay...bad idea or?
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CG+KONI noob saibot pretty much hit it on the head. You can get his setup if you put your lude on a diet. The main advantage of the GC coilover is if you should blow a shock, you're not without a car, regular shock and spring in one corner waiting for new coilover FTL.

Anything higher than his will actually support more than 1 occupant, lol
I'm not sure I understand....
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