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hey there guys and gals.

i have a 5th gen prelude 76k i want to lower down.
my goal is to have a comfortable ride, without too much bounce, yet noticable/decent drop.
my current rims and tires are momo 18 inch rims and federal 595 super steel tires 225/40ZR180 88W (dont knw what this number means lol )
with the tires and rims that i have, i feel the rubbing and hear noise coming from the rear wheels especially when i have two passengers or speedbumps sometimes.

i read from other threads that lowering springs alone are not enough to lower a car, new shocks are also needed as my oem have 76k on them. some work with lowering springs alone some
don't and more likely to get blown. i want to buy a set up that don't require other things such as camber kits, toe, etc. to avoid being too expensive.

what is the ideal set up i should get with me having the tires and rims the car currently sits on? i am thinking of two options.

1) springs + shocks. im thinking of Eibach, Tein, or H&R for springs (1.5" or less) and Tokico Blue or Koni Yellow. which spring wont lower the car too much after they "settle" to avoid scraping?

2) coilovers. i dont know which one though. :) skunk2 maybe?

do you have other suggestions in mind? Please help me get this right. i want to do this right the first time to save time and money.

here are the pictures of front and rear gaps i have from tire to fender.
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Go Full Coilovers. BC's, Function and Form Type 1,2, or 2.5, and some others…just google it. Also, those back seats aren't really seats. Reason they're so small is Honda really didn't want full size people sitting in them. Keep it to you and a passenger for less scrapage. 76K is really low mileage for our cars now…good job on the pickup. You could also look for someone in your area who does fender rolling.
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Kudos on wanting to do it right. I recently installed Koni Yellows struts and Ground Control coil springs and I really like them. I choose the spring rating on the Ground Controls and went with 450 in the front and 320 for the rear and it's pretty stiff but not bad. If you want Function and form type 1 you will need to use the oem top hat to get a nice drop. They are the best bang for your buck but to some the springs are to soft and you might have a rubbing issue. Type 2's I've heard are pretty good. You don't really need a camber kit and if you want a pretty good drop they will just hit the top mount on the body of your car. If you lower your car further you might want to get a less wide tire and stretch them to clear the fender. Also 18's is definitely the biggest wheel you can go with and for the width of 40 you should be fine if not 35 but no more than 40 being the max.

On a side note get some touch up pant and cover the scratched up part of your fender to prevent rust from spreading.
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Kudos on wanting to do it right. I recently installed Koni Yellows struts and Ground Control coil springs and I really like them. I choose the spring rating on the Ground Controls and went with 450 in the front and 320 for the rear and it's pretty stiff but not bad. If you want Function and form type 1 you will need to use the oem top hat to get a nice drop. They are the best bang for your buck but to some the springs are to soft and you might have a rubbing issue. Type 2's I've heard are pretty good. You don't really need a camber kit and if you want a pretty good drop they will just hit the top mount on the body of your car. If you lower your car further you might want to get a less wide tire and stretch them to clear the fender. Also 18's is definitely the biggest wheel you can go with and for the width of 40 you should be fine if not 35 but no more than 40 being the max.
On a side note get some touch up pant and cover the scratched up part of your fender to prevent rust from spreading.
if i choose to get Koni Yellows and Tein/Eibach/H&R/GC, will that be too soft and caused it to be bouncy? i am reading some spring rates but don't really know how will that affect the car in actual. i searched Function and Form type 1 and GC. they are out of my price range. do i rather get the coilovers and keep saving than get shock+spring combo? because i am also saving for lip kits and paint+bodywork.

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Go Full Coilovers. BC's, Function and Form Type 1,2, or 2.5, and some others…just google it. Also, those back seats aren't really seats. Reason they're so small is Honda really didn't want full size people sitting in them. Keep it to you and a passenger for less scrapage. 76K is really low mileage for our cars now…good job on the pickup. You could also look for someone in your area who does fender rolling.
looking at some coilovers (BC, FF) damn they are not cheap! yes sir, i never wanted to bring two passengers with me. sometimes, when im picking up my gf, she would bring a friend which sucks for the car. lol.
thank you, i picked up the car at 72k and I got this for almost a year now.


thanks for the replies guys. i'll continue to study what's the best option for me.


EDIT: oops shock+spring looks higher than F&F type 1. you were right acedprelude.

Tokico Blue = $359
Tokico Illumina = 708
Koni Yellow = 579

Eibach prokit = 149
H&R = 230
GC = 305
Tein = 171

F&F type 1 = 585

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I really recommend Function & Form type 2. You can keep adjust how stiff you want your ride to be so you can pretty much personalize how your ride feels.
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Re: HELP: Prelude Lowering Project

i narrowed my options to either

1) Koni Yellow + Eibach Pro
2) FF type1

they cost about the same. if i buy option 1 or 2, do i need other kits ? i hope to choose the right set up before i drop money on this. i like the FF type 1s because of the fact that they can be adjusted but not too much positive info on the web unlike the type 2s and Koni Yellow + Eibach.

sounds like a newbie question: do i need shocks if i buy FF type1? thanks

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Sounds like you need to to more research as to what the difference between coilovers and shocks/springs is.

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I have the Function Form Type-One coilovers, and the rear springs are indeed too soft. The fronts are stiff enough to prevent bottoming out, but soft enough to make a comfortable ride. The rears are just too soft.
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If you want comfortable ride stay away from Coilovers, they drop your car a lot, but give you a really harsh ride.
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if i choose to get Koni Yellows and Tein/Eibach/H&R/GC, will that be too soft and caused it to be bouncy? i am reading some spring rates but don't really know how will that affect the car in actual. i searched Function and Form type 1 and GC. they are out of my price range. do i rather get the coilovers and keep saving than get shock+spring combo? because i am also saving for lip kits and paint+bodywork.



looking at some coilovers (BC, FF) damn they are not cheap! yes sir, i never wanted to bring two passengers with me. sometimes, when im picking up my gf, she would bring a friend which sucks for the car. lol.
thank you, i picked up the car at 72k and I got this for almost a year now.


thanks for the replies guys. i'll continue to study what's the best option for me.


EDIT: oops shock+spring looks higher than F&F type 1. you were right acedprelude.

Tokico Blue = $359
Tokico Illumina = 708
Koni Yellow = 579

Eibach prokit = 149
H&R = 230
GC = 305
Tein = 171

F&F type 1 = 585



Well when I got my set up I to didn't have all the cash to buy both the Ground Control coil springs and the koni struts at the same time so I bought one and then the other. If you want to be able to adjust the hight of your car go with Ground Control if you just get springs you won;t be able to change the ride height with ease. Also to soft springs= comfortable ride & possibility of rubbing the fenders. Stiffer springs= less comfortable ride because you will feel imperfects in the road, better handling due to reduced body roll, and due to the shock assembly having firmer dampening and stiffer springs there is less travel of the whole assembly there for less chance of the wheel going into the fender and the tire having more contact on the road.
There also is other good coil over setups but not sure what people like most but you will be paying around the same as GC/Koni setup if not a few hundred more.
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If you want comfortable ride stay away from Coilovers, they drop your car a lot, but give you a really harsh ride.
Overgeneralization. Coilovers don't drop your car. How low you set the shock bodies does. Ride quality is inversely proportional to spring/damper stiffness. As the stiffness goes up, quality goes down. The springs on the Function Form Type-One coilovers are relatively soft, with 10k springs up front (iirc), and 6k springs in the rear. The rears really need to be 8k. I've never had one complaint about ride quality in my Prelude on the Type-One coilovers, and women are the FIRST to complain about such things.

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Well when I got my set up I to didn't have all the cash to buy both the Ground Control coil springs and the koni struts at the same time so I bought one and then the other. If you want to be able to adjust the hight of your car go with Ground Control if you just get springs you won;t be able to change the ride height with ease. Also to soft springs= comfortable ride & possibility of rubbing the fenders. Stiffer springs= less comfortable ride because you will feel imperfects in the road, better handling due to reduced body roll, and due to the shock assembly having firmer dampening and stiffer springs there is less travel of the whole assembly there for less chance of the wheel going into the fender and the tire having more contact on the road.
There also is other good coil over setups but not sure what people like most but you will be paying around the same as GC/Koni setup if not a few hundred more.
As long as he's not running a ballsy wheel/tire combo, fender clearance shouldn't ever be an issue. My tires barely clear the fenders over bumps.


And for the record, when I say "coilovers" I mean a real set of coilovers, not adjustable sleeves. Skunk2 is GARBAGE. They ride like crap.
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I have type-2's I've never regretted buying them. That's my 2cents. Well worth the extra mulah.
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How's the ride quality? Ie, would you recommend them for someone who takes long trips in the Lude?
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heys guys, i am not worried of the comfort now i wanted at first. anyone know what's a good set up to get with the current tire/rims i have? BC and type 2s are just too much for me. what other options do i have? can type 1s achieve my goal of less or no scrapage with the right adjustments?
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anyone know what's a good set up to get with the current tire/rims i have? BC and type 2s are just too much for me. what other options do i have?
you cannot get good setups cheap
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Don't go cheap. As the old saying goes, you gotta pay to play. You'd be best served to save up for one of those mentioned.
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I wouldn't recommend a Prelude for long trips period LOL
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Actually, it's really not too bad. Not a lot of creature comforts/modern technology(A/C, P/S, Bluetooth Connectivity, that's about it for me), but sure makes an average road trip a fun road trip!
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I find Preludes to be too constricting for a long journey. I prefer room to slouch down, let the legs fall into a chillax position, freeing up the balls. The cockpit layout of the Prelude doesn't allow that for me.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:27 AM
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Icon6 UPDATE!!!!: HELP: Prelude Lowering Project

hey guys,

once a again i need your opinion.
so i decided to spend on bodywork + paint + lip kits first before a set of coilovers. (car is still in the shop).

now, i am really serious of buying a set of FF type 2 within the next two weeks or so. i kinda got scared to get FF2's after reading this forum while researching. any of you have these problems such as clunking, loose bolts, bushings, wheel being loose etc?
it makes me wonder about the quality of FF. i don't want to waste 900+ on a garbage

should i find another set of coilovers to go with?

here are the links:
Function Form type 2 need Help!!! - Club RSX Message Board

Function Form type 2 - YouTube

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