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Durability of Rota wheels

I feel like this article is much needed in all forums.
This is put together very well and I agree with him 100% I've done the research myself and have made the same argument to people in the past.

I am not a big Rota fan and I know most of you know that but I have never been against them and wouldn't give anyone a hard time for rocking Rota wheels.

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Re: Durability of Rota wheels

oh here we go this chit again.

The only real valid point is that other car manufacturers use cast wheels such as vipers and what not. And that doesn't mean jack sh!t. As a matter of fact just because the 2 wheels are both cast and not forged does not even put them in the same ballpark. You can have 2 cast wheels be made differently and vary greatly in reliability. Also, he says "A lot of the pictures are the same over and over" no they aren't. And it isn't professional racers saying their rota's broke - it's guys like you and I.

Also, I would like to point out that I don't believe rota's are unreliable. I don't think that if you bought slip streams you would have a problem. BUT after so many years of broken rota's at some point you have to sit back and think - "Is it worth me being the 5% or 3% who end up breaking these while I'm riding my car hard on the track?"

And the guy with the worlds fastest evo? - he runs his car 9 seconds down the track. And it's a straight line. While it is stressful, it's nowhere compared to auto crossing and the stress placed on wheels when at varied angles and weight transfer on stiff suspension and sticky tires. It's a whole nother' level than a drag race.

I don't believe that if anyone here bought rota's and ran them on the street on a daily driver they would blow up. But just like I said in many other threads all over the tuner web pages of the internet - This although may not be super common, it obviously is a problem. I'm not saying that if you buy rota wheels they will break. BUT, as I've been around a long time I have seen evidence that points to poor quality in some of the rims yes. Though it may be unlikely, my time around the import scene has shown me that it is possible. And while possible doesn't mean definite it is something that should be taken into consideration

I could go on further but I think everyone will get the point. You read all around the internet and see all the people who have broken wheels and see what brands. Most often you will see rota. Again not saying that it's common or that it would happen to you, but know that it does happen and it's a risk and a small probability that you may end up with a product that isn't top quality (and you aren't paying top price for it).

We as forum members give out recommendations, it doesn't mean that you have to take it to heart or listen to what we say. You make your own decisions as a grown man/woman. And forum boards may not always be accurate or correct, but after so many years there has to be some truth in what is told.

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If you re-read it, its poor wording, but not a contradiction. Not all wheels having a breaking point, Not all don't. Someone can't say "ALL WHEELS ARE THIS OR THAT" because it isn't true. There is never an "ALL" situation.

Just like I never said "ALL forged wheels won't break" or if you buy any cast wheel "They ALL break" they don't. If you buy forged wheels your chance of "Breaking" a rim has dropped by probably 300% (meaning 3x the strength)

Forged is compressed metal alloys, where as cast is just that, its cast into a mold. By compressing the metal (whatever it may be) you are thickening the density. The area of mass it takes up is still the same, but the volume of that mass has now increased, making it an all around tougher product.




And when is the last time you seen a pothole on a drift/time attack track?

I'm not saying that you can't go out and buy rota's. I'm not even saying that if you bought rota's and ran them for 15 years that you would ever have a problem. BUT, as I've been on these boards for awhile, along with many many many others, I tend to collect a lot of info over the years. It's my job to inform you of possible issues. Example : If you said you were going to buy a dodge truck, the transmissions are known for blowing up. I say -- "Look you have the possibility of blowing up a transmission" Thats not to say your specific dodge will, but it is more common than others. So I will tell you that, whether you want to hear it or not. You run the risk after that at your own discretion, but you can't be pissed because you weren't warned...
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Re: Durability of Rota wheels

With some product that has that much debate and controversy over, I'd never rock them. I'll stick to the tried-and-true manufacturers
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I personally like Rota's...and not because im half Flip lol.
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I wasn't impressed with my Rota's at all when I bought them 4 years ago; Terrible quality and I ordered directly from Rota and received 2 different sized lug nut bores where I had to run 2 different sized lug nuts...garbage
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I wasn't impressed with my Rota's at all when I bought them 4 years ago; Terrible quality and I ordered directly from Rota and received 2 different sized lug nut bores where I had to run 2 different sized lug nuts...garbage
I would have called, btched and moaned, and had them ship new ones and pay to ship the old ones back on their dollar....
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Forged > cast all day long. Doesn't matter who makes them. You can get away with cast on DD's, but once you know about forged rims, sensible people will shop for those.

Ex: base hummer H2 rims are cast, can only take 2100 or so pounds of weight per wheel. The Alcoa rims optional to H2 are forged and can handle 2795 pounds. If you had the choice which you'd take am I right? If its durability you want without the sticker shock, go steelies. Id hit potholes HARD in my 3G prelude, not one dent or crack.

If Rota makes forged rims, get those. If their lineup is all cast, you already know how I feel.
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my racing hart c5s are forged.. i think

actually after looking i have rh evolution which isnt racing hart.. fack
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my racing hart c5s are forged.. i think

actually after looking i have rh evolution which isnt racing hart.. fack
Just because you have cast wheels doesn't mean anything will break or bend or fracture. It's just a matter of durability. Which you will never know how tough a rim is until it breaks. Which is unlikely, but that's about the only sure fire way to know. And it's a decently rare occurrence unless you slam into curbs a lot at 40mph straight on.
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I still want a set of black rota slips. Lol. Flame on!!!!
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go steelies
Not sure if you ever saw/heard what happened to me with my 2011 Impreza but I will never rock steelies again with my driving habits. I literally drove one of the wheels off the car, lug nuts still on the car when the wheel came off.


I'm not bias either way and personally don't care what anyone buys but myself... just trying to help some people be a little more technically informed on the subject. I have no beef with Rota, this article has stated every reason why I don't. I have a beef with some Rota customers for slapping Regi, Work, Volk, Mugen, ETC... stickers on their wheels thinking they are fooling people. That's about it. I see no reason for certain people to spend $4000 on a set of top notch forged wheels when a $400 set of cast will be more than sufficient for what they want them for and I don't think they should be so worried about them cracking/bending based off a few forum horror stories. The FEW horror stories about Rotas all have pretty harsh backgrounds, I'm sure, and Rota isn't the only company who has had this reputation based on what I know.

The way I see it.. this is how it works.

"Oh, you cracked your Rotas?" "That's what you get for buying cheap wheels."

"Oh, you cracked your Volks?" "You must drive your car really hard." or "You must have hit one mean pot hole."

It's all forum BS floating around. Word of mouth is a very powerful thing and a few bad occurrences can explode into a lot more than they are. Just like if you do something good for someone no one ever hears about it but if you mess something up the entire world is going to know about it in no time.

If these wheel companies were as bad as people make them out to be then their product would not be approved to be on the road.

Like I said, my full argument is pretty much summed up in the article.
I don't own Rotas, never have, and won't say I never will.
So everything I've said is strictly based off fact and not JDMTYTEHONDARACECARYOSTANCEDOMORAWR bias opinion.

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LOL your prelude is allergic to steelies! LOL!

I didn't read the tread because of the rhetoric. I explained myself so people would understand, you can break a forged, you can break a bbs, you can rock rotas till your engine can literally talk to you. How many car makers use cast out the gate? All of them.

But if you're going shopping, upgrade. Get factory forged on CL dimwited sellers don't research what they have, and basically toss valuable rims away (like the H2 forged rims) usually for cast. eBay the forged rims you want, sometimes you get those "works, bbs, volks, etc etc" with a scratch and they're cheap. It's all relative.
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my tire front right blew out on st pattys day. had absolutely no way of gettin home and couldn't get a spare. I drove home on my SSR Type-C wheel, with a flat tire, so pretty much bare rim, for a mile. the ONLY thing wrong with it is some black marks on the lip, and part of the lip bent out like 1mm. I dare anyone to try that with rotas
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You need those fancy high priced wheels for when your hard parking. /s

Racing yes, you need them. Don't want to be busting wheels every time you go off track or corner cut.
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LIRL X3

The "nose first" parkers!

I will never understand why average people RASH THE SHlT out of their wheels.

I can't complain when random rim opportunities show up though. Like SL55 AMG rims on sale 900.00... Perfect example. I'll pay that in a heartbeat, especially when people swap those for UBZ or UZE or Focal rims and weak summer tires.

It is the safe bet all us enthusiasts love those CL people, LOL!
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That article is just a guy with a bigger voice making claims that Rota's are good because they're on a couple racecars. That's no different from some guy on a forum saying they're not good because they broke on a Scion. If Volk or Enkei had the problems Rota's have had, then the spotlight would be on them for quality. But that's not how it is.

There's so many of us that take a lot of pride in the look of our vehicles. We're the true car enthusiasts. We don't race our cars for money, or get paid to use a certain brand of wheel. We work our asses off and sacrifice dinner here and there to give our cars a certain look, and therefore we are our own allies when making an expensive decision like this - which wheels at what price with what durability? There's no reason we'd want to take the word of someone that get's paid to use a part- of course they're happy with it! I'd be happy to use ANY damn wheel if the manufacturer gave them to me for free, or even PAID me for it! But no, that's not the real world. We consult others in our similar financial position about these parts (wheels or not), and if more than a few people have had negative experiences, that's what we make our decisions based off of, not the biased opinions of others.

It's all about risk-the more negative experiences there are with a product, the higher the risk there is the consumer will be unsatisfied. And that's where Rota is at - they've produced more than a few sub-par pieces, have a worse Problem::Success ratio than some other wheel brands, and POOF it's coming back to bite their ass. Score 1 for us, the consumers.
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That article is just a guy with a bigger voice making claims that Rota's are good because they're on a couple racecars. That's no different from some guy on a forum saying they're not good because they broke on a Scion. If Volk or Enkei had the problems Rota's have had, then the spotlight would be on them for quality. But that's not how it is.

There's so many of us that take a lot of pride in the look of our vehicles. We're the true car enthusiasts. We don't race our cars for money, or get paid to use a certain brand of wheel. We work our asses off and sacrifice dinner here and there to give our cars a certain look, and therefore we are our own allies when making an expensive decision like this - which wheels at what price with what durability? There's no reason we'd want to take the word of someone that get's paid to use a part- of course they're happy with it! I'd be happy to use ANY damn wheel if the manufacturer gave them to me for free, or even PAID me for it! But no, that's not the real world. We consult others in our similar financial position about these parts (wheels or not), and if more than a few people have had negative experiences, that's what we make our decisions based off of, not the biased opinions of others.

It's all about risk-the more negative experiences there are with a product, the higher the risk there is the consumer will be unsatisfied. And that's where Rota is at - they've produced more than a few sub-par pieces, have a worse Problem::Success ratio than some other wheel brands, and POOF it's coming back to bite their ass. Score 1 for us, the consumers.
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The negativity surrounding Rota's is absolute crap fueled by a few instances of someone doing crazy sh!t in their car, breaking it, then blaming their wheels.

I have Rota C10's on my 5G and have ragged the absolute sh!t out of it on the race track and sprint circuits and never had any problems. Plus the standard of road surfaces in the UK is generally awfull, I have fit a fair few pot holes and the wheels have taken the hits without breaking.

In the UK there isnt the negativity towards Rota, I have never heard of anyone braking a Rota wheel. Has anyone commenting in this thread know of anyone who has? or is this just a regurgitation of roumours floating around the internet?
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That article is just a guy with a bigger voice making claims that Rota's are good because they're on a couple racecars. That's no different from some guy on a forum saying they're not good because they broke on a Scion. If Volk or Enkei had the problems Rota's have had, then the spotlight would be on them for quality. But that's not how it is.

There's so many of us that take a lot of pride in the look of our vehicles. We're the true car enthusiasts. We don't race our cars for money, or get paid to use a certain brand of wheel. We work our asses off and sacrifice dinner here and there to give our cars a certain look, and therefore we are our own allies when making an expensive decision like this - which wheels at what price with what durability? There's no reason we'd want to take the word of someone that get's paid to use a part- of course they're happy with it! I'd be happy to use ANY damn wheel if the manufacturer gave them to me for free, or even PAID me for it! But no, that's not the real world. We consult others in our similar financial position about these parts (wheels or not), and if more than a few people have had negative experiences, that's what we make our decisions based off of, not the biased opinions of others.

It's all about risk-the more negative experiences there are with a product, the higher the risk there is the consumer will be unsatisfied. And that's where Rota is at - they've produced more than a few sub-par pieces, have a worse Problem::Success ratio than some other wheel brands, and POOF it's coming back to bite their ass. Score 1 for us, the consumers.
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The negativity surrounding Rota's is absolute crap fueled by a few instances of someone doing crazy sh!t in their car, breaking it, then blaming their wheels.

I have Rota C10's on my 5G and have ragged the absolute sh!t out of it on the race track and sprint circuits and never had any problems. Plus the standard of road surfaces in the UK is generally awfull, I have fit a fair few pot holes and the wheels have taken the hits without breaking.

In the UK there isnt the negativity towards Rota, I have never heard of anyone braking a Rota wheel. Has anyone commenting in this thread know of anyone who has? or is this just a regurgitation of roumours floating around the internet?
That's the thing is it's not people doing crazy sh!t. Also it's not rumors, there are pictures all over the place. A rim (No matter it be cast or not) should ever break to this degree:



And those pictures above are just a few (that leavemdedroolin posted) - those show a couple but there are a lot more. Also, you guys out in the UK, while you may have quite a few car enthusiasts I'm sure US people have quite a lot more.






Also there are a lot of rims that aren't posted on the internet that are broken rotas because they are stress fractures like these:



Trust me, it's not just a stigma. Maybe it's more common since rota's are popular (and it seems to be most of the broken ones are the first generation) but I can tell you that they didn't get the bad stigma for no reason. Again just like I posted above, while this is not a common occurance it is more common with rota's than with other brand wheels - That doesn't make rota's necessarily bad, but just keep in mind that there are quite a few people out there who broke rota's and shared that info and it just happens to be rota shows up more than anyone else.


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In a few of those photos in this thread you can actually see the point of impact on the edge of the rim from something like a pot hole or a kerb, which is most likely the cause of the wheel failing. I could hunt the internet and buld up a collection of specific wheels that have failed, but that wouldnt prove anything.


Personally I cant comment on the integrity of early Rota's as I got my first set in 2009. But IMO there is nothing worng, or anything to cause me to think that the wheels will fail. I can't think of any situation where I could put them through more stress than I alrady have.

One thing to take into consideration (but I may be over thinking this) is that (especially in the US) Lude/Honda drivers are young, hence not a lot of cash so buy cheaper wheels, and more likely to try stupid things in their cars. So the likelihood of a Rota wheel being broken in comparison with another brand increases. Maybe / maybe not.
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In a few of those photos in this thread you can actually see the point of impact on the edge of the rim from something like a pot hole or a kerb, which is most likely the cause of the wheel failing. I could hunt the internet and buld up a collection of specific wheels that have failed, but that wouldnt prove anything.
That's exactly it though, is that some of them were potholes. A wheel should hold up to a pothole in the road. Again this didn't come about for no reason and while I agree there are probably others out there that are different brands its usually the cheapo's and that's what rota's are. Cheap.


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Personally I cant comment on the integrity of early Rota's as I got my first set in 2009. But IMO there is nothing worng, or anything to cause me to think that the wheels will fail. I can't think of any situation where I could put them through more stress than I alrady have.

One thing to take into consideration (but I may be over thinking this) is that (especially in the US) Lude/Honda drivers are young, hence not a lot of cash so buy cheaper wheels, and more likely to try stupid things in their cars. So the likelihood of a Rota wheel being broken in comparison with another brand increases. Maybe / maybe not.
Right, a lot of them are younger. Also a lot of older drivers as well though too. Rota's are just like every other cheap brand. They are just more popular than most so again maybe that's why it prevails as the most common rim failures but regardless you still see broken rota's more than other brands. And whether that has to do with the amount of them on the road or not, it still shows there is a problem with worksmanship. And if it's common maybe they need to do some better research & design (like worx or gram lights)
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I have Rota C10's on my 5G and have ragged the absolute sh!t out of it on the race track and sprint circuits and never had any problems. Plus the standard of road surfaces in the UK is generally awfull, I have fit a fair few pot holes and the wheels have taken the hits without breaking.

In the UK there isnt the negativity towards Rota, I have never heard of anyone braking a Rota wheel. Has anyone commenting in this thread know of anyone who has? or is this just a regurgitation of roumours floating around the internet?
Unfortunately, The Rota Rumors have been around since at least 2006, so Anyone with rotas would have to be outside our circle. Also, I did mention the weight rating of rims make a difference.

Does anyone know what is the rotas rating per wheel, including dynamic loading? Rota doesn't even bother mentioning if their rims SHOULD go on a evo or a sti because the cars might weigh too much.

The quality could be there 100%, but customer satisfaction and quality control is non existent. If I have to track down specifications like Load Limit for a wheel (not on the wheel brand website) I'm passing those wheels by.

For example:16" ALCOA LTS FORGED ALUMINUM WHEELS | eBay

It's right there at the bottom, all the info you'd ever want. FYI Alcoa makes only FORGED rims for anyone from Lamborghini to SRT's DODGE / GM / up to 18 wheelers where weight matters. I have Alcoa Rims, and Put on 4 different wheel locks because Someone might realize my rims cost 2500.00+ and borrow them without intent of returning them.

I mean go to the G35/37s forums, they constantly get their wheels stolen because they are volks or rays or something Forged, owners didn't even realize how nice the wheels were until the car is on blocks. I went on a stolen rims search to see which rims get stolen more than others, No Rotas.

And Linso said it right (I have to rep someone else first, dammit). We as the consumer have to live with the rims, not the race teams, race queens, or sellers. It's the same reason people choose craftsman over durabuilt tools. They might be the very same tool, built in the same plant in china (yeah craftsman is made in china now), but Sears' reputation of on site replacement under lifetime warranty wins every single time. People will pay for that. Matco and Snapon (both expensive as hell) have the same warranty. You don't even need to go to the same truck.

Rota should step up their game and earn the trust of auto tuner's again, it's not a guarantee people want, it's a commitment to excellence and to keep people happy.
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