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About To Lower The Lude

Alright I am about to lower my 5th gen, The setup is going to be Tokico Illuminas and Skunk2 coilovers. I only plan on lowering the car 1.5 - 2.0 inches on stock rims. Should I purchase a camber kit for the re-alignment or should i be fine. and if so, what should i purchase?
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Re: About To Lower The Lude

Here is the thing, no matter how little of a drop you do, you are going to knock the alignment/camber out of whack. Just depends on how often you rotate or feel like replacing tires. Camber kits are cheap, and definitely worth the money. IMO, yes I would buy a camber kit.

You can buy them here, these are the exact ones I was going to purchase (and I don't cheap out on chit, no ebay crap)

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So a big negative on the ebay camber kit huh? $30 sounds soo much better than $200
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Re: About To Lower The Lude

I'm planning on lowering mine too some time in the fall. from what i've herd and Searched the Ingalls camber kit is "supposed" to be the best set up for the 5th Gen, im sure if anyone has them, they'll chime in. some people say Toe is more important when lowering our cars, no need for the camber kit, but idk if it makes you sleep better at night go with a camber kit, I would just incase
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I wouldnt get a no name camber kit you get what you pay for. pay for cheap stuff ususally you get cheap stuff
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Re: About To Lower The Lude

Toe destroys tires, camber does not. Get an alignment and you'll be fine. Read:

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Re: About To Lower The Lude

Get an alignment and go from there. When I put my tokico blues on I didnt have to do anything, got an alignment a few months after I had put them in, and really turned out I didnt even need it. granted it was only a drop of about 1.25".

edit: forgot to mention I drove on the same tires after I dropped the lude for about a year and a half and had no noticeable wear patterns out of the norm.
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Re: About To Lower The Lude

i have tokico illuminas and skunk 2 adjustables and its a pretty decent ride. no need for a camber kit. just go and get it alligned asap. or your tires will go out fast.
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Those camber kits on horsepowerfreaks are retarded expensive. Lightning motorsports has them much cheaper.
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Re: About To Lower The Lude

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Toe destroys tires, camber does not. Get an alignment and you'll be fine. Read:

No, you DO NOT need camber kits!!!!!!!! - Honda-Tech
Sorry bud but you are 100% incorrect- I deal with lifted trucks, and my bronco has independent front suspension (just like preludes) and there are many things that change with larger/smaller springs. Toe is the least of them. Preludes use control arms, and trailing arms (same thing as radius arms) and by lifting or lowering your vehicle it changes a LOT.

Imagine your control arms as the center point of a circle. They can only go up and down. When you RAISE your car (or truck) you push those arms further around the circle. When you LOWER your car, you bring them up closer to the top. This effects CAMBER not toe. Though you can manage to pull the toe in a bit to help correct it, IT DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

Now you can correct it by using toe adjustments but this will not completely solve the problem. Since the tie rod sits directly in the middle of the tire, it WILL NOT completely pull the inside of the tire back to stock specs, instead it will PULL THE FRONT OF THE TIRES INSIDE TOWARDS THE ENGINE instead of sitting straight forward. (see diagrams below)

Also read this from the article you posted and I can tell you the wear inside is from camber not being corrected, not from bushings. The guy is a fuggin idiot.

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Now I do get a slight bit of inner wear, but I attribute that to my worn stock bushings that aren't keeping the toe in check like they should. I have all new bushings waiting to go in and I expect tire wear to be even less than before. But my tires do usually wear down past the wear bars before the inner edge shows any belts, so at that time it's time to replace the tires anyway.
Now, after reading that and him saying "I expect tire wear to be less than before" means it will still be off. He is band aiding the problem. this is NOT the correct way to do it. Now realize you have 3 arms on your prelude, 2 control arms, 1 trailing arm. When you lower it, your control arms are forced to point upwards a bit towards the sky, hence the inside of your tires being the ones riding on the ground. Also when you lower it, you will be changing the trailing arm angle, and the castor will be changing, and the trailing arm will be pointing higher also. Look at these few diagrams to understand.

Please use this for reference on the first diagram below (with white background)
1--- stock height * 2--- raised height * 3--- lowered height
Realize these are exaggerated but they show EXACTLY what happens. The diagram with the bronco explains how the trailing arm moves. Again, imagine the control arms and the trailing arms the Fulcrum of a circle (they move up and down around a single point)

I hope this better helps you understand. Toe changes are inward and outward towards the engine or towards the outside of your car, it doesn't effect the bowing up towards the sky or down towards the ground. PLEASE CLICK ON ATTACHMENTS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND.

I do a lot of research and it is simple physics to understand the spring set up on vehicles. Take some time to think deep into it. The bronco only shows RAISING the vehicle, but when its lowered it will take those lines and push them up instead of down.




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So a big negative on the ebay camber kit huh? $30 sounds soo much better than $200
You don't have to buy it from the company I have listed, but don't go with e-bay. They are knockoffs most often times, and are not built to the quality of brand names. Please don't trust anything you find on ebay. Buy straight from the retailer or a legit source. Again, most camber kits out there are perfectly fine to use, and if you have any questions I would call the manufacturer and see what their camber kits are recommended for as far as lowered height is concerned. Some adjust more than others.
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Re: About To Lower The Lude

Smokey, hes just saying that camber doesn't wear out your tires too much. He is stating that Toe in or out does. He isn't saying lowering the car is going to cause toe in or out, nor is he saing to use toe corrections to fix camber.


OP, you don't need a camber kit unless you don't like the negative camber that is going to come from your drop. That said, with stock wheels, its going to look horribly sunk in...
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Smokey, hes just saying that camber doesn't wear out your tires too much. He is stating that Toe in or out does. He isn't saying lowering the car is going to cause toe in or out, nor is he saing to use toe corrections to fix camber.


OP, you don't need a camber kit unless you don't like the negative camber that is going to come from your drop. That said, with stock wheels, its going to look horribly sunk in...
Or if he doesn't want his tires to wear funny. It's not so much the look as it is the ride quality/tire wear.

And Dood, the name of the link was "you don't need a camber kit" and the whole article in that link was explaining that changing the toe will correct camber. Which it will not.
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Re: About To Lower The Lude

Sorry dude, didn't read the article before.

I'll go read it.

They aren't saying toe will fix your camber, they're saying that toe in/out will destroy your tires alot faster, and thats the part of the alignment that saves tires, not the camber adjustment, nor the camber kit.
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Ok guys this is all I was saying... Any time you change ANY component of your suspension, every aspect of the geometry is going to change in some way, shape, or form. If you have a good alignment and your toe is set properly, you will MOST LIKELY not have to worry about getting a camber kit. Out of whack camber specs will not wear on a tire nearly as fast as out of whack toe specs will.

When I owned my last Prelude, I went through a set of BRAND NEW tires in about 3 months because I didn't get an alignment, out of whack toe specs absolutely DESTROYED those tires. My current Prelude has been lowered (about twice as much actually, a little over 3") for over a year. I got an alignment immediately after I lowered it, toe was set to factory specs, camber couldn't be due to how low the ride height was set, yet my tires are wearing perfectly fine and normal.

Smok3y, am I saying you're wrong? No. I'm speaking from my personal experience, and honestly I believe a good alignment is all you need.
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Smok3y, am I saying you're wrong? No. I'm speaking from my personal experience, and honestly I believe a good alignment is all you need.
Nope

But you are correct in a few things. One is ALIGNMENT. People never get it done. They do all kinds of chit to the suspension and never get it aligned. And camber kits alone WILL NOT fix the geometry. So yes alignment is 100% needed.

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Honestly if more people would just get a damn alignment done, they could save money/time by NOT using unnecessary **** like camber kits, adjustable toe arms, etc.

Even if you DO get a camber kit, you'll still need to get an alignment. Meh, whatever, OP do whatever you want lol.
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well I dont want to buy a camber kit if I dont have to..Im gonna go 1.5 and vget an alignment. Hopefully I will be alright.
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Re: About To Lower The Lude

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Tein basic damper coilovers, Worth the money?
teins are overpriced and overrated
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