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4th gen suspension advice... All components

My prelude is 17 years old now, and after several engine swaps and tranny swaps, the suspension is not what it used to be. I have compiled a list of parts i plan on buying all at one time so i can get everything done at once and not have to redo anything.

I am asking the community for help on checking to make sure i have EVERYTHING, and for suggestions on where i could improve.

GOAL: My car needs to ride as smooth as possible while still retaining the stock cornering ability or better. The lower my car is, the happier i am. Cost isn't really a concern, but i am not made of money.

Please don't worry about me scraping, as i am not concerned at this point.

List O' Parts:
1. Tanabe upper strut bar front and back
2. Tanabe Lower sway bar front and back
3. SPC Upper control arm w\ balljoint front and back, comes with camber kit and made for cars lower then 1.5" drop
4. Honda OEM front knuckle with lower ball joint
5. undecided on coilover set. tein flex seems more name brand then quality.
6. Need to know what i need in terms of subframe bushings. should i go back to OEM, or is there a polyurethane set? Who makes one?
7. Honda OEM Tie rod ends
8. All hubs are still good, so will not be replaced.
9. Keeping rear brakes, powdercoating and rebuilding
10. Baer front brake kit.
11. Rota cuircut 10s, 17x8 with 205/40/17 whatever tires (will upgrade later)
12. Does the manufacter of my toebar matter? I was looking at megan vs expensive and can't come up with a real reason not to go megan.
13. Honda OEM wheel bearings front and back


Please note: I have numbered everything for your conveniece. Also, I am a newb to this site and prelude suspension, i am not however a newb to mechanics. I have googled all i can, and would like to not see someone tell me to go google my question, as it is a little more indepth then what google can answer.

Thanks for bearing with me on my long post. i hope some of you can help me. Once everything is ordered i plan to take pictures while i install it and show you fella's how we do in the south! :)

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List O' Parts:
1. Tanabe upper strut bar front and back - Had them and loved them
2. Tanabe Lower sway bar front and back - Had them and was happy with them
3. SPC Upper control arm w\ balljoint front and back, comes with camber kit and made for cars lower then 1.5" drop - I had the SPC ball joint camber kit and it is a quality product
4. Honda OEM front knuckle with lower ball joint - You can just replace the ball joint boot and re grease it unless you for some reason think the joint it bad
5. undecided on coilover set. tein flex seems more name brand then quality. - Tein is a good company but over rated and over priced and unless you are going to be tracking your car all the time the flex set is over doing it
6. Need to know what i need in terms of subframe bushings. should i go back to OEM, or is there a polyurethane set? Who makes one? - Energy suspension
7. Honda OEM Tie rod ends -
8. All hubs are still good, so will not be replaced. -
9. Keeping rear brakes, powdercoating and rebuilding -
10. Baer front brake kit.
11. Rota cuircut 10s, 17x8 with 205/40/17 whatever tires (will upgrade later) - BFGOODRICH KDW2s or Sports
12. Does the manufacter of my toebar matter? - You don't want a cheap one that will bend... what is wrong with your factory ones?
13. Honda OEM wheel bearings front and back -
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Re: 4th gen suspension advice... All components

As for real advise on coilovers... I just realized you are on my side I misunderstood what you had there.

Your coilovers really should depend on your most common use for the car and I am guessing DD with a little spirited driving?

Look into Function & Form Type1 or Type2 or you can never go wrong with some Koni Yellow shocks with Ground Control Coilover sleeves.
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Re: 4th gen suspension advice... All components

Are the bushings in front of the radius rods included in the subframe bushings? If not then you'll need those too. I'm in the same suspension restoring boat as you
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Re: 4th gen suspension advice... All components

it looks as if energy suspension doesn't have the radius arm bushing in the kit... guess i will have to go OEM. The radius arm has never been fun to remove and install.

and thank you bb2h22a4, very reassuring that i am on the right track. its been a hard list to compile, especially since i only know 240sx suspension.
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Re: 4th gen suspension advice... All components

BB2 is on the money. I'll also mention the Koni Yellow strut with Ground Control coilover sleeves setup. 90% of the Prelude owners who track their cars seriously use an adjustble strut and a coilover sleeve, with well over half of them on this one. While every other coilover setup on the market there is happy and unhappy customers, I'm yet to read an unhappy comment about the Koni/GC setup.

Also, you didn't mention swaybars. Energy Suspension rear sway is a great product, but you will need to reinforce the mounting points.
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Re: 4th gen suspension advice... All components

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BB2 is on the money. I'll also mention the Koni Yellow strut with Ground Control coilover sleeves setup. 90% of the Prelude owners who track their cars seriously use an adjustble strut and a coilover sleeve, with well over half of them on this one. While every other coilover setup on the market there is happy and unhappy customers, I'm yet to read an unhappy comment about the Koni/GC setup.

Also, you didn't mention swaybars. Energy Suspension rear sway is a great product, but you will need to reinforce the mounting points.
I am kind of hesitant to use a strut\coilover combo like that for three reasons.
1. i know enough about spring rates and strut rebound rates to know i don't know enough yet to start matching up sets.
2. i am a firm believer of R&D. i.e. if a company has spent money in researching what spring rate will best suite there strut and tested and developed it through the years, then who am i to argue? I would rather pay more and get an entire coilover setup then have a mismatched set.
3. after ebay, i despise coilover sleeves. I am sure ground control makes a good product and shouldn't be compared with ebay, but my mind is set on never getting a sleeve again.


about the sway bars. from what i have read, with a 1" (25.1mm) sway bar up front and a 15/16" (23mm) in back, there isn't a real reason to upgrade those. the master bushing set from energy suspension comes with bushings and endlinks so i think thats all i am going to get in that area.

another memphis prelude owner is lowered about 2.5" and had to take his rear sway bar out to improve ride feel.... i am not sure if that is something that is commonly practiced, but it worked for him. i will have to play it by ear when it comes to it.

thank you for the input!!! if funds run short (like they always do) i might end up using the koni\gc setup as a temporary fix.




build thread will be coming soon!!! you guys will lol at the current state of my car.
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My prelude is 17 years old now, and after several engine swaps and tranny swaps, the energy suspension parts is not what it used to be. I have compiled a list of parts i plan on buying all at one time so i can get everything done at once and not have to redo anything.

I am asking the community for help on checking to make sure i have EVERYTHING, and for suggestions on where i could improve.

GOAL: My car needs to ride as smooth as possible while still retaining the stock cornering ability or better. The lower my car is, the happier i am. Cost isn't really a concern, but i am not made of money.

Please don't worry about me scraping, as i am not concerned at this point.

List O' Parts:
1. Tanabe upper strut bar front and back
2. Tanabe Lower sway bar front and back
3. SPC Upper control arm w\ balljoint front and back, comes with camber kit and made for cars lower then 1.5" drop
4. Honda OEM front knuckle with lower ball joint
5. undecided on coilover set. tein flex seems more name brand then quality.
6. Need to know what i need in terms of subframe bushings. should i go back to OEM, or is there a polyurethane set? Who makes one?
7. Honda OEM Tie rod ends
8. All hubs are still good, so will not be replaced.
9. Keeping rear brakes, powdercoating and rebuilding
10. Baer front brake kit.
11. Rota cuircut 10s, 17x8 with 205/40/17 whatever tires (will upgrade later)
12. Does the manufacter of my toebar matter? I was looking at megan vs expensive and can't come up with a real reason not to go megan.
13. Honda OEM wheel bearings front and back


Please note: I have numbered everything for your conveniece. Also, I am a newb to this site and prelude suspension, i am not however a newb to mechanics. I have googled all i can, and would like to not see someone tell me to go google my question, as it is a little more indepth then what google can answer.

Thanks for bearing with me on my long post. i hope some of you can help me. Once everything is ordered i plan to take pictures while i install it and show you fella's how we do in the south! :)
I will wait for your photos. I am excited to look for it. :D

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Re: 4th gen suspension advice... All components

hey audiophile i havent seen an update so i was curious to see what things have you bought so far? and how much this stuff is costing you? my 18 year old 92 is starting to fall apart with some suspension stuff so i am researching now to see what is a good start kind of like you did.. Thanks
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