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JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

Greetings,

Thanks in advance to all who jump in and share thoughts, feedback, and personal experiences.

I've decided to go with JIC Magic coilovers, but I'm on the fence as to which one. Should I go with the JIC FLT-FAS or the FLT-TAR? I've read all about monotube vs. twintube designs, looked at all the pros and cons of each, but would really like to hear about the ride quality and personal experiences to help me make a more informed decision.

So, does anyone have any experience riding on either of the above mentioned coilovers? How well have they held up? How do they compare? I know I'm giving up comfort...but how much difference can there actually be between the two designs?
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

i'm pretty sure this is what daryl is riding on, he'll prolly chime in.
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

Thanks...I've been doing a ton of reading on here and have learned quite a bit from everyone...love this forum!

In addition to whichever JIC I decide to go with, I'm also going to add:
1) Tanabe rear stabilizer
2) Tanabe front strut bar
3) Tanabe rear strut bar

I know everyone seems to be pro Suspension Techniques/Progress...so hopefully I'll be able to add some perspective on Tanabe. Although I've been quite tempted by Explicit Speed Performance stuff...

I bought my prelude new in 2001, and haven't done much with it...but I've been inspired by everyone on here to make some changes. I've got some serious catching up to do. Once I get the JIC thing figured out...it'll be all down hill from there...ha ha.
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

yup he's on the magic's, just not sure which model.

but yea ESP has some amazing products, i'm about to drop some dime on a coupla their products. then we can have a comparison-off haha.


it sucks to say, but once the modding bug bites, its a never-ending downward spiral, and next thing ya know..... you're wondering why you've spent so many thousands of dollars on this thing. cuz we love it
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I've got the Tanabe front strut and front and rear sways and their awesome. Definite difference in the cornering, especially the dreaded understeer. You wont be disapointed...
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

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yup he's on the magic's, just not sure which model.

but yea ESP has some amazing products, i'm about to drop some dime on a coupla their products. then we can have a comparison-off haha.


it sucks to say, but once the modding bug bites, its a never-ending downward spiral, and next thing ya know..... you're wondering why you've spent so many thousands of dollars on this thing. cuz we love it
Yeah...I was thinking...tough to beat basically custom built stuff for the lude from ESP...the only thing that stopped me from going that route was the light-weight design of Tanabe...especially with the plans I have for audio gear...don't want to add too much weight with my stock engine :-(

Yeah, we'll definitely have to compare notes... ha h.

Yep...I'm about to spend thousands, now...and still won't be close to most on here. Uuugh! It's so darn addictive...and one thing seems to always lead to the next...has anyone figured out a way to make it stop...ha ha. Maybe there is a drug or something. Ludaslin? Sounds like a good pharmaceutical name...I better trademark that...ha ha.
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

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I've got the Tanabe front strut and front and rear sways and their awesome. Definite difference in the cornering, especially the dreaded understeer. You wont be disapointed...
Myyyy man! ha ha...you are encouraging me! I like what I'm hearing. I noticed Tanabe has two versions/sizes of the front sway; which did you get?

I'm a sucker for great marketing...I was about to get the ESP setup...but saw the whole bit on chromemoly steel being lighter and more rigid than the mild steel used in other setups. So, I thought...who wouldn't want that? ha ha.

Do you have any opinions on coilovers? Twintube vs. monotube?
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

I got the 30.4 in the front and the 25.4 in the rear. I've even been thinking of getting the under braces too... but i'm not sure if its necessary. between the strut bar and the sways its nice and tight... As far as monotube Vs. twin tube I cant really help, have'nt done much research into it
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

Nice...why half step...finish it off...ha ha. Nah...probably is overkill. I don't think I'll go that far with it...although, like you, the thought has crossed my mind. I can't wait to get the bars put on...but I gotta figure out this JIC thing first...it's eating away at me. Help! ha ha.

Oh, did you have any issues with your endlinks? I was thinking about ordering new OEM ones and replacing at the same time.
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No issues, it went rather smoothly for a change.I didnt do the end links, but it probly wouldnt hurt while yer under there. Just make sure you got another person with ya, it'll make life much easier when you start to take the stocks out...

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Gotta quote you on that one bro. Sorry I can't help with the coilover question, wish I could man. Hope whatever choice you make turns out for the best.
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

It's all good...I'm leaning a little toward the FLT-TAR...just concerned about how harsh the ride is going to be for daily driving.

Even if someone has experiences to share with a twintube and monotube and which they liked better would surely help...doesn't necessarily have to be JIC.

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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

mono tube is definately the way to go if you ever plan on auto-xing. twin tube have a tendancy to overheat and fail. I myself and riding on monotube and the ride is quite stiff. I did all urethane bushings ( energy suspension), ST front and rear sway bars, DC front and rear upper strut tower braces, DC rear lower tie bar, engalls camber kit, and 18'' rims. the whole suspension was done in one shot so I can't vouch for how rough the ride is with just the coilovers alone. The ride however is pretty rough, but it handles better than anything I've ever driven ( shelby mustang, corvette, bmw, etc).



as you can see it's not terribly slammed but the car absolutly does not move when you lean on it. can go much lower.
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

Thanks! I plan on replacing bushings with new OEM (so hopefully that help get the handling without it being too harsh). I'm also going to get Tanabe stabilizers and strut bars.

I'm looking to do a minimal drop....half inch all the way around...because of my wheel offset issue...so I don't think I'll need the camber kit.

I've read somewhere that cars with double wishbone suspension don't need inverted monotubes...which can tend to have more issues than standard monotubes...too bad JIC doesn't make a standard monotube.

Other concerns are the durability of the JIC monotube for normal daily driving...have you had any issues? Seals leaking or anything? How long have you been driving on them? I've heard rumors that leaky seals can be a potential issue...and that's where the twintube (again from what I've read) holds up better...cause there's less pressure on the seals.

I think if the ride quality loss is minimal between the two...and I can feel confident that the monotube design will hold up...then I think I'm going to go for it.
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3 years, no issues. I don't DD the car though, which you would think could be a bigger problem w/ seals leaking. I have a feeling that you'll be pleased with the monotube. Seems like an aweful lot of money to spend on a suspension setup if you're using OEM bushings. You won't see max performance out of the parts you're buying.
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

what's your offset? I have 18x7.5 w/ a +43 offset. the come flust to the fenders, no rubbing.
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

Yeah...I hear ya. I guess I'm looking for a great compromise. I want superior handling...without having to sacrifice a few discs in my spine. ha ha. So, my thoughts were I'd get the performance I'm looking for from the JIC monotube...and the OEM bushings would soften it up a little.

I really wanted to put in polyurethane bushings, but based on all the feedback I've read, it really makes for a stiff ride with just that updgrade alone. So, again looking for the right balance for my needs and daily driving...I figure OEM bushing and JIC FLT-TAR would be a good compromise. Plus, I heard stories based about polyurethane not lasting as long (unless properly maintained), and squeeking (which contradicts all the marketing I've read from ES, Prothane, etc).

So...after all the contradictions...I just felt that OEM bushings might be a safer bet.

And actually, it was you (a little while back) that pointed me in the direction of JIC for lowering since I had an offset issue. I thought if you did it and are okay...I should be...ha ha...so thanks for your help (then...and now).

Oh, I have Enkei ZR1 17 X 7.5 with an offset of +40mm...my wheels are flush with the fenders as well...I have Nitto NEOGENS 225/45ZR17.
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Also, I thought since the FLT-TAR has a 10/7 spring rate vs. the FLT-FAS' 9/6 that might help gaurantee that I won't rub (especially with some of the potholes around here).
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

just remember that hitting a pothole w/ upgraded (stiffer) suspension will increase the likelyhood of damage to the wheel. (especially if they're not forged)

it should be a decent compromise, but you'll have more movement with the oem bushings which might cause a rubbing issue if the drop is too low. I think your .5'' drop should prevent that issue. I'm interested to see how this all comes together.

oh yeah and np on the advice, I hope it helps you make a decision. props on doing your homework bro.
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

I sure hope it all works out, too. If not...my next mod will be new fenders...ha ha...which will give me a perfect excuse to finally add the lip kit.

My thoughts are...the original suspension is probably sagging (probably already have a half-inch drop...ha ha) and if it's not rubbing now, I should be okay. The JIC at .5 might even sit higher than the car currently does.

You bring up a good point. I am worried about potholes...or should I say craters...a huge one took out my OEM wheel(dented it). It's funny...I'll get this nice suspension upgrade and have to drive slower instead of faster...quite the paradox.

I'm going to sleep on this one for the next couple days...see if anyone else wants to chime in...and then I'll probably get the FLT-TAR, unless I hear any compellling arguments. I just have in the back of my mind that the FLT-FAS may be more practical for my needs...but being practical isn't any fun at all!
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

Thanks ogsmakdade! I decided...and ordered. No turning back now...ha ha. I went with the FLT-TAR.

I should have it within a week. It was a big purchase...I sure hope I enjoy it!
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np bro. you'll enjoy it for sure. take pics of the parts when they come in. show these guys what real suspension looks like
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Ha ha...good idea. I'll be sure to show 'em off.
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

My JIC FLT-TAR finally arrived! Can't wait to install them...
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Very Nice. Did you have an opportunity to install these and what are your impressions of them?

Is it correct that you can adjust the height of the coilover on the Tar's without affecting the spring pre-load?

Can you PM me where you bought these and how much? Thanks.
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Re: JIC FLT FAS or FLT TAR?

Hey...sorry for the delayed response. I did get them installed...and I LOVE them.

Yes. They are height adjustable without altering the spring pre-load.

I had replaced my original struts/springs after about 110,000 miles with these...and I'm surprised how smooth the ride is. I was expecting a very harsh ride, but it was very comfortable for daily driving...and it handles like a champ.

I have my fronts set at 7 and my rears set at 5. Seems to be a good setting for me so far.
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