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Official Alignment/Camber Kit Thread --- READ BEFORE POSTING

Due to the high number of new threads recently regarding about lowered and the need for camber kits and alignments and such. This will be kept up-to-date and checked regularly. Rep is appreciated .

Q&A and all basic information will be posted IN THIS THREAD!

Here are the "okay" specs for the 5th gen:
Base Model:
Camber Front: 0 1
Camber Rear: -0.75 1
Caster Front: 2.66 1
Total Toe Front: 0 2
Total Toe Rear: IN 2 2
Front turning wheel angle: Inward wheel angle: 36.33 2


SH Model:
Camber Front: 0 1
Camber Rear: -0.75 1
Caster Front: 4.33 .75 ***** This is the only difference between Base and SH
Total Toe Front: 0 2
Total Toe Rear: IN 2 2
Front turning wheel angle: Inward wheel angle: 3450' 2



Common questions:
Q: I just dropped my car X inches. Should I get an alignment done?
A: It's not necessary, but I would HIGHLY recommend it. It's a fairly cheap thing to get done, and when the struts/springs are exchanged, the alignment can get knocked easily out of spec. Why save 50 bucks now and lose 500+ on new tires way sooner than planned?

Q: The guy at the tire place said that he can't fix my camber because there is no stock camber adjuster on the Prelude. Is he on crack?
A: No, he is not on crack, or any other type of drug for that matter. Preludes DO NOT have a stock camber adjuster, and thus camber cannot be adjusted directly.

Q: Well if I can't adjust the camber directly, then, do I need to buy this camber kit he is trying to sell me?
A: It depends. If you're anal about having the camber zeroed out all around, then yes, you will most likely need a camber kit to do that on almost any drop. If you're not anal, then there is a good chance you'll be able to get by. There have been cases where people on a big drop (2" and up) have been okay without a camber kit. Personally I would say as a rule of thumb: 0" - 2" shouldn't need a camber kit. Anything more, have your camber checked and decide from there.

Q: My tires are leaning in, should I be worried about this eating up my tires?
A: Not necessarily. The camber itself will wear tires on the inside, but this isn't your main concern. Bad toe is what ruins tires.

Q: Are base and SH ball joints the same?
A: The upper and lower ball joints are indeed the same! Uppers are the ones you need in a camber kit.
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Re: Alignment

yea this coulda be found by a search. but i understand, on topics like this its hard to sift through all the BS. no the guy isn't retarded. you do need a camber kit to adjust your camber kit. however do you need a camber kit? every persons situation is different. get the alignment done. fix the things you can fix, namely your toe. adjusting your toe will adjust your camber ever so slightly. so the toe might fix your camber to the manufactures recommended range. now some camber is desired. so if its not to horribly off then i wouldn't bother.

when you lower your car all 3 aspects are thrown off. caster, camber and toe. toe is the biggest tire wear contributor. and like i said, adjusting the toe will alter the camber a little. your caster is your caster. there isn't a way to adjust it as far as i know. very little caster is desired. camber does effect tire wear but not as bad. but more then caster will. caster will only effect your tire wear in turns. and still, its minimal.

and i moved your thread for you. since its more of a general suspension question that can apply to all generations, its better to put it in a more broad topic.
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Also i don't know if this applies to you or how much truth it has to it, but without a significant drop apparently honda made the SH's with a lot more accurate camber and it will take more of a drop for you to need a camber kit then a base

oh and btw do you have any pictures of your drop i just bought the same springs =p what shocks did you go with?
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Re: Alignment

steps:
1) get the alignment done
2) get spec sheet (of caster, camber, and toe) and report your results back to us
3) we'll tell you if your in dire need of a camber kit.

if i'm slammed 2.25" and don't need a camber kit, i doubt you need one as well.


i'll sticky this as well, and it can be the general alignment/camber thread
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Re: Official Alignment/Camber Kit Thread

im slammed and i had to get a camber kit. im at roughly a 2.5" drop and i was -1.5 deg in the front and -3.5 in rear. i wore the inside of my tires almost bald in 6 months, this includes 3 trips to deals gap and some occasional spirited drives. i got the eibach camber kit and love it. with the drop you have, you shouldnt need a kit unless you're just really anal bout that stuff.
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Re: Official Alignment/Camber Kit Thread

yo kev, are those the ball joint type, or the other ones?
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Re: Official Alignment/Camber Kit Thread

Basically an Alignment sets camber, caster and toe so you don't have to tell them you wanna adjust your camber cause they should be doing that anyway. Unless you have a specific set up that you want to follow through with. Camber Kits are really just for Fine Tuning your setup. You dont need them at all to get an alignment. As for Tire wear, I've never cared about that cause i get free tires so i have a decent amount of neg camber and toe out to prevent the dreaded understeer but if anything is a tread killer it's deff gonna be Toe...
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yo kev, are those the ball joint type, or the other ones?
they are the ball joint type. they are super easy to adjust, so easy i set mine perfect the first time i did it.

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Basically an Alignment sets camber, caster and toe so you don't have to tell them you wanna adjust your camber cause they should be doing that anyway. Unless you have a specific set up that you want to follow through with. Camber Kits are really just for Fine Tuning your setup. You dont need them at all to get an alignment. As for Tire wear, I've never cared about that cause i get free tires so i have a decent amount of neg camber and toe out to prevent the dreaded understeer but if anything is a tread killer it's deff gonna be Toe...
our cars do not have a factory camber adjustment that is why an aftermarket is kit is in question.
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Re: Official Alignment/Camber Kit Thread

For when you get an alignment....

Settings directly from the service manual:

base Model:
camber front: 00' +/- 1
camber rear: -045' +/- 1
caster front: 240' +/- 1
total toe front: 0+/-2
total toe rear: IN 2 +/- 2
Front turning wheel angle: Inward wheel angle: 3620'+/-2


SH Model:
camber front: 00' +/- 1
camber rear: -045' +/- 1
caster front: 420' +/- 45'
total toe front: 0+/-2
total toe rear: IN 2 +/- 2
Front turning wheel angle: Inward wheel angle: 3450'+/-2
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Re: Official Alignment/Camber Kit Thread

K, here's my numbers:

*Front (L/R)
---------BEFORE:--------After:--------
Camber: -.6/-.2 ***** -.5/-.2
Caster: 3.2/3.4 ***** 3.2/3.4
Toe: -.21/-.14 **** -.01/.01

*Rear (L/R)
----------BEFORE:---------After:--------
Camber: -1.8/-1.8 **** -1.8/-1.9
Toe: .16/.11 ********* .1/.11

And from the figures that bass1 gave, I'm a hair outta spec in a few of the sections.

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your camber isnt bad at all, i wouldnt worry bout a kit.
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[QUOTE=twokexlv6coupe;272228]steps:
1) get the alignment done
2) get spec sheet (of caster, camber, and toe) and report your results back to us
3) we'll tell you if your in dire need of a camber kit.

if i'm slammed 2.25" and don't need a camber kit, i doubt you need one as well.



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Re: Official Alignment/Camber Kit Thread

I would get your toe on your rear tires looked at again, but it's not necessary specs look fairly good

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K, here's my numbers:

*Front (L/R)
---------BEFORE:--------After:--------
Camber: -.6/-.2 ***** -.5/-.2
Caster: 3.2/3.4 ***** 3.2/3.4
Toe: -.21/-.14 **** -.01/.01

*Rear (L/R)
----------BEFORE:---------After:--------
Camber: -1.8/-1.8 **** -1.8/-1.9
Toe: .16/.11 ********* .1/.11

And from the figures that bass1 gave, I'm a hair outta spec in a few of the sections.

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Updated first post with information. PM if something is incorrect or should be added!
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iight ill post in the right spot now. My queRstion is--- are base and SH ball joints the same or do they make different ones so i dont have to worry about it when i order some.
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Good question!
The lower ball joints are all the same iirc.

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I THOUGHT THE UPPER BALL JOINTS WERE THE ONES YOU USED FOR A CAMBER KIT, NOT LOWER. AM I RIGHT OR WHAT
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yes you are right. the hub pivots and connects to the upper bj which controls the camber. if you slide the adjustable bj back towards the car, your camber will become more negative. or if you pull it towards you, the camber will become more positive.
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THANKS MAN. ILL BE ORDERING SOME TONIGHT. I LOOKED AT SOME OBX BJ'S AND THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE SO I MIGHT GO WITH THEM I DONT KNOW YET, IM STILL DEBATING.
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well i think im going to go with ingalls after all. i could probably get a F+R set for around 200 shipped so i think im going to jump on it and be done with it.
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well i just recieved my ingalls from UPS and i went and made an appointment friday to have the springs and camber kit installed. hopefully i can take a before and after pic to let you guys see my results.
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Ask them for before and after alignment numbers, they should get a printout. I can add it to the top of the thread.
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i will if i can remember. i have to take it at 7 AM so my brain doesnt really function that easrly in the morning lol but ill see what i can do.
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i had no idea that front caster was the only difference in theses 2!
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Re: Official Alignment/Camber Kit Thread --- READ BEFORE POSTING

I'm think I need to add in/correct a thing or two...


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Q: I just dropped my car X inches. Should I get an alignment done?
A: It's not necessary, but I would HIGHLY recommend it. It's a fairly cheap thing to get done, and when the struts/springs are exchanged, the alignment can get knocked easily out of spec. Why save 50 bucks now and lose 500+ on new tires way sooner than planned?
Anytime any front end work is done, you need to get the alignment checked. Period


Q: My tires are leaning in, should I be worried about this eating up my tires?
A: Not necessarily. The camber itself will wear tires on the inside, but this isn't your main concern. Bad toe is what ruins tires.
No, camber will ruin tires as well. I suggest fixing your camber if it is off or just be more rigorous with your tire rotation schedule


Q: Are base and SH ball joints the same?
A: The upper and lower ball joints are indeed the same! Uppers are the ones you need in a camber kit
The SH has two more ball joints than a base. There is 4 total lower BJ's on an SH..

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i had no idea that front caster was the only difference in theses 2!
It isn't. He isn't talking about the differences between a base and a Type SH. He is only talking about the differences between their alignment specs. There is far more differences between an SH and a base than just alignment specs.
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Re: Official Alignment/Camber Kit Thread

are the ball joint type the only one they make for the prelude or do they have ones like skunk2 pro series or bar type for the 5th gens. bin looking but couldn't find any.
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