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Hids in replica fogs

someone should make this a sticky.


Many people, including myself, ask the following question about HID bulbs in stock housings designed to take a halogen bulb: Will the HID bulb in a stock housing melt the housing since HID bulbs burn brighter than halogen bulbs (6000K color temperature for a HID bulb vs 2800K color temperature for a halogen bulb)?

One response I received is by falklore24. He stated the following:

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stock halogen = 55W
standard HID = 35W

Which do you think makes more heat?



A Watt is a derived SI unit for power, which is a measurement of energy or heat (a form of energy) per second (measured in Joules). Therefore, a 55 Watt bulb would consume 20 Watts, or 20 Joules of heat per second, more than a 35 Watt bulb. In layman terms, a 55 Watt bulb would burn hotter than a 35 Watt bulb. With this in mind, one would assume that a 35 Watt HID bulb would generate less heat than a 55 Watt halogen bulb and therefore not melt the housing.

Another thing to ponder is the size of the bulb. In the application of headlamps, HID bulbs are slightly larger than halogen bulbs, one aspect that some people overlook when installing HID bulbs in their stock housings. In thermodynamics, heat radiates outwards. The farther away an object is from a source of heat, the cooler the temperature of that object will be, meaning that the closer you are to a source of heat, the hotter you will be. So, if a HID bulb is larger than a halogen bulb, but it consumes 20 Watts less than a halogen bulb, is the temperature of the part of the housing closest to the HID bulb hotter than the same part of the housing if a halogen bulb were to be used?

Okay, I understand that a standard halogen bulb uses 55 Watts of electricity and a standard HID bulb uses 35 Watts of electricity. I did a little bit of research and I noticed that the construction of standard halogen bulbs are similar to the incandescent bulbs that we place in our desk lamps, and the construction of HID bulbs are similar to the fluorescent bulbs that we use in offices and buildings. I know that halogen and incandescent bulbs use a metal filament such as tungsten and a vacuum or inert gas inside a glass casing to create light whereas HIDs and fluorescent bulbs use a pressurized conductive vapor and at least two conductive electrodes. The only difference between a fluorescent bulb and a mercury vapor lamp or HID bulb is that the fluorescent bulb contains a phosphor that glows when excited. The fluorescent bulbs use a low pressure mercury vapor and have long startup times, so to solve the issue of the long startup times, the HID bulbs use a high pressure xenon gas. HIDs, as with mercury vapor lamps, use high pressure gas so that the distance between the electrodes is shorter than those in a fluorescent bulb, therefore eliminating the need for a phospor. I also understand that color and temperature are related. The hotter an element burns, the whiter the color of the element will be. Consider the following: a standard halogen bulb consuming no more than 55 Watts of electricity burns at an average temperature of 2800K, and a HID bulb consuming no more than 35 Watts of electricity burns at an average temperature of 6000K. Because the technologies of halogen bulbs and HID bulbs are different, HID bulbs are able to burn brighter and consume less electricity. After everything is explained above, if a standard halogen bulb has a color temperature lower than that of a HID bulb, and the halogen bulb consumes more electricity than a HID bulb, then how is it possible for a HID bulb to burn at a higher color temperature than a halogen bulb without producing more heat than the halogen bulb? Is it because of the technological differences of the HID and halogen bulbs?







ok so i have a quick question..i got the replica fog set..and i wanna put HIDS in them..why do people think they will melt?? a halogen bulb is 55watts..a hid kit is 35watts therefor producing less heat..anyone tell me wrong?
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Re: Hids in replica fogs

i dont know the technical terms......but heres suthin for ya...get 2 cars..one with halogen and another with aftermarket HIDS... after half an hour..touch both lenses..which is hotter?

i remember i touched my friends mercedes...lense was burning
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Re: Hids in replica fogs

I think the lenses is not fit for the HID's...
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Re: Hids in replica fogs

i think the hid bulbs being longer then halogens making it closer to the lense might be the reason...maybe dont put the hid in all the way so its the same lenght..thats how i have it in my h1 lows...the 9006 are only half way in the hole and it doesnt hurt anything..
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Re: Hids in replica fogs

It's not the running power that creates the heat, it's the light produced. The colour of the light is basically determined by how hot the gas inside the bulb is, the hotter the gas the lighter the colour essentially.

Whereas coloured conventional bulbs have almost a powder coat on the inside of the glass that (for the want of a better word) tints the light output colour.

However until somebody actually goes and does it there will be no definitive answer. Both camps will argue their case passionately and we will have the biggest stalemate in history since the Vietnam war.
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Re: Hids in replica fogs

To OP, I think your post was the biggest waste of time seeing as it didn't solve our questions. What I think you should do is. DO THE HID KIT. You only spent $85. It wouldn't be that big of a loss if it did end up melting. Infact maybe the higher being guided you to the $85 deal in order to perform the guinea pig task. DO IT!!!!!!!

Can I get someone to co-sign on the "DO IT"?
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Re: Hids in replica fogs

as i see where your going with this..but since he got a deal doesnt really mean he should necessarily be a guinea pig.

would you just like to drop 4 20's and a 5 in a trash can and accept it?

i wouldnt think so...
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Re: Hids in replica fogs

^Trash can?
Who said the outcome would be a negative one?
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Re: Hids in replica fogs

yeah 85 dollars...and if it melts then im out 85 bucks...then have to spend another like 170 to get new ones..
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^Trash can?
Who said the outcome would be a negative one?
its a 50/50 chance

its either going to melt or not, and if we were positive it wasnt going to melt then..nothing to worry about, but we have to take it into consideration.
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Re: Hids in replica fogs

Colin, you are INCREDIBLE with words.

I do really don't understand the issue with this. TRY IT! Make it a cautious experiment. Its not like your lights will be fine, fine, fine, destroyed!

Let your car sit, the time they will be the hottest. No wind for cooling. Turn'em on for 5 min. Check for signs of damage. Chrome blistering, plastic burning, getting soft, etc. Then go 15 min, 45, 2 hour and so on until your happy. There is no science to it. Either your lense can handle extra heat or not. Theirs no formula spelling out what color temp will melt acme brand lense. They may hold up better than legit JDMs or whatever.
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Re: Hids in replica fogs

I have yellow lamin-x and 3000K HID in my JDM fogs. If enough people are willing to spill out a max of $5 to me to get the rep housing. Then i'm willing to temp swap the housing to see if the rep ones melt or not!!!

I can post pics and vids for confirmation if necessary...
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Re: Hids in replica fogs

^Interesting proposal.

Whats the total cost of rep housings?
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Re: Hids in replica fogs

Brash is 100% correct.

Someone's gonna have 2 do it for us 2 be able 2 find out if it gonna melt or not.
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To be honest, I'm waiting to see what Brian (Prleude1897) has to say about them. As soon as he has a set in his hands I'm willing to bet he'll pull them apart and see how well they're made, then post it on all the Prelude boards (this one included).

Until I hear otherwise, I'm willing to bet (based on experience with other "replica" stuff) that the quality will be rubbish.


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Why? There's no information in the thread, just a lot of discussion from both sides of the arguement, and a bunch of people saying "somebody needs to test it"

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Re: Hids in replica fogs

85 bucks!
thats alot of cigarettes already!
my 2 cents is dont try it.
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Re: Hids in replica fogs

Short sweer and to the Point DRUM ROLL PLEASE!!!!

they dont melt I promise I've been runnin 100WATT!!!! HIDs in mine for almost a year no problem. There made outta high imact abs plastic. Take a lighter to a piece of high impact abs plastic and get back to me in a couple hours once they start to finally warp. Pluse theres a tube coming out the back nd to vent out hot air. YOU GUYS ARE FINE!!! put ur HIDs in now :)


Oh and I have to address the whole kelvin thing if you think that your 6000k HIDs are runnin at 6000 degrees kelvin your insane. thats hotter than the son! kelvin is measures from absolute zero. -355 or something degrees thats where 1 degree of kelvin starts.

The lighting ratings being in degrees kelvin is a total seperate thing trurt me I studied this. is really hard to understand its about the radiation. basically the degrees kelvin when used in measuring lighting terms is basically the heat that would have to be given off in radiation to show that spectrum of light. Thats why all your lower radiation stuff that doesnt hurt you like micro and radiowaves and infared are all on the left side of the board then in the middlle is the visual spectrum then the really really strong radiation is after the visual spectrum gamma,alpha, ultraviolet, etc radiation, and thats in laymens terms kinda. Go look up black box radiator and it'll explain more easily a black box radiator is what they compare the radiation to t get the spectrum of light at a certain degrees kelvin. Anyways long story short PUT HIDS IN YOUR FOG REPLICAS and put some realy good lam X type stuff on ur 400 JDMs I would even build a plastic plat and stick it to it cause they will shatter if u drive freeway just a matter of time sorry, thats why I went with replicas.

Lastly I hope that clears everything up and no offense to anybody was intended now sticky this so everyone is up to date PEACE
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Re: Hids in replica fogs

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Short sweer and to the Point DRUM ROLL PLEASE!!!!

they dont melt I promise I've been runnin 100WATT!!!! HIDs in mine for almost a year no problem. There made outta high imact abs plastic. Take a lighter to a piece of high impact abs plastic and get back to me in a couple hours once they start to finally warp. Pluse theres a tube coming out the back nd to vent out hot air. YOU GUYS ARE FINE!!! put ur HIDs in now :)


Oh and I have to address the whole kelvin thing if you think that your 6000k HIDs are runnin at 6000 degrees kelvin your insane. thats hotter than the son! kelvin is measures from absolute zero. -355 or something degrees thats where 1 degree of kelvin starts.

The lighting ratings being in degrees kelvin is a total seperate thing trurt me I studied this. is really hard to understand its about the radiation. basically the degrees kelvin when used in measuring lighting terms is basically the heat that would have to be given off in radiation to show that spectrum of light. Thats why all your lower radiation stuff that doesnt hurt you like micro and radiowaves and infared are all on the left side of the board then in the middlle is the visual spectrum then the really really strong radiation is after the visual spectrum gamma,alpha, ultraviolet, etc radiation, and thats in laymens terms kinda. Go look up black box radiator and it'll explain more easily a black box radiator is what they compare the radiation to t get the spectrum of light at a certain degrees kelvin. Anyways long story short PUT HIDS IN YOUR FOG REPLICAS and put some realy good lam X type stuff on ur 400 JDMs I would even build a plastic plat and stick it to it cause they will shatter if u drive freeway just a matter of time sorry, thats why I went with replicas.

Lastly I hope that clears everything up and no offense to anybody was intended now sticky this so everyone is up to date PEACE
Actually, I think Kelvin starts at -273 degrees Celsius
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Re: Hids in replica fogs

Were the replicas available a year ago? Seem to recall them appearing on ebay around March this year earliest.

Maybe outofriceryan is running genuine fogs? In which case any results wouldn't count.
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Way to bring a 6 mo. old thread back up.

This has been covered a bajillion times. Seriously.
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thats why I said around a year I dont remeber How long ago I bought them and they are not JDMS I promise cause they are plastic not glass and they are smoked whch there is not such thing as a smoked Jdm fog light.

You were saying Celcius I was talking about farenheight. what ever absoltue zero is at farenheight is where kelvin degrees start, but anyways I know its an old thread but Im just not on this forum much and wasn't sure if that was cleared up yet so I just wanted to clear it FTW. Yes thread from the dead but good information. Sorry if i made anyone mad that was ot my intention, just wanted to spread my knowledge, and there were a few companies developing the oem replicas back about a year ago and they were hard to find, but I know I bought them a long time ago cause I payed 150 for a set and thought that was a good deal now they're only worth aroun 60 70dollars aset. and I got mine from one of the companies during their R&D. But either way doesn' matter its approaching mid noveber now and if they were made to the mass public in march thats nearly a year if you want I can re post up if they,ve melted yet when march comes around j/k just had to be alittle of an a** anyways I hope that clears everyones questions up and makes you happy to know you can put your HIDs in your fogs, but I will admist the replicas put are WAYYY less reflective than the JDMs the jdms are actually like a nother set of lights the replicas are like for showthey just omit light. My leeds on around my aftermarket headlights are brgither than the replicas with 100 watt HIDS, the lenses on my reps are pretty trashed though.
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