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small h22a possible build for fun

soo... I'm getting bored with my stock h22a swapped prelude si.

car:
93 prelude Si
H22a swap estimated under 100k miles (came in the car)
all sound deadening removed and no A/C
on ground controls w/ stock struts
ES sway bar bushings all around

mods:
Short shifter (b&M I believe)
I guess you could consider it a sri because it chills next to the battery, not into the bumper
no name brand header, exhaust, muffler w/ stock cat
FITV bypassed
that's all I can think of for now...





anywho.... I just want a little above stock power on a stock bottom end and without pulling the head. Just easy stuff.

parts list:
Chipped P06 (got it)
H22A basemap on crome
skunk2 tuner cams (the ones that don't require upgraded valve train)
possibly cut the balance shaft belts
port out the stock intake (still don't know about removing butterflies)
high flow cat to 3" exhaust with a vibrant muffler
by that time my clutch'll probably be going out so possibly an OEM Exedy clutch kit.
then TUUUUUUUNE!

tips, tricks, advice!!! I'll be collecting parts till spring so I've got time to think and piddle. yes, this is my DD atm so that's why I'm not willing to pull the head and port n polish it, pistons, etc yet. not going for crazy just fun.

thanks in advance!
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Re: small h22a possible build for fun

you need better injectors or then raise fuel pressure (recommend to get bigger injectors)
and adjustable cam gears and then get good air filter

and you can change valve springs and retainers without taking head out, think about that since
those skunk2 tuner 1 cams cost almost as much as their better cams would

I just ordered skunk2 pro1+ cams and their valve springs & retainers and Im going to change those
without taking head out ;)

but youre on right path; you have to change little bit everything to get those ponies

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Re: small h22a possible build for fun

I thought the stock fuel system on these were good until about 210-220 hp?
Ya k&n filter should be on that list too.

And I'm not lookin to get TOO expensive with this that's why i opted for the stock valvetrain
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Re: small h22a possible build for fun

yep, but if stock injectors injector duty cycle is high its not healthy and might make problems in future
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Re: small h22a possible build for fun

Skunk2 cams pro 1s
Good exhaust system

Tuning is the key!!!
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Skunk2 cams pro 1s
Good exhaust system

Tuning is the key!!!
Fined someone who knows there shizz
No chips buy an ecu with more then 4 options -_-'
That 450 ecu is worth every penny
I got a chipped po6 chipped from xenocron. I was just going to use that cuz its cheap.
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do it right the first time or dont do it at all..
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I never said it wasn't getting tuned. That's what the chipped ecu is for. I just want to scrape out some more potential out of this motor without rippin it all apart.
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Re: small h22a possible build for fun

What do you guys consider "right"? A whole build, replacing pistons, complete head job? I'm not wanting all that yet. I'm not even sure if I'm gonna be keeping this car. I'm just lookin for that bolt on plus tune power. Just something where I don't have to worry about pullin next to an rsx type s or a mustang gt
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if you arent sure you are going to keep the car, whats the point in putting money into it you'll never get back?
he thinks that its one day job with 1000 bucks and he'll get 300hp
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Re: small h22a possible build for fun

I'm talking about at the track. All the guys down here arent really into jap cars so I'd like to see just a tad more respect from them.

And ya it's a throw up whether someone offers me enough for it I might sell it. If not, I'll keep it and play with it.

And no, if I wanted 300 horse I would have gotten an Integra.. Im just wanting to learn more about this chassis. God forbid I thought guys on here would be more helpful than Honda-tech. Guess I was wrong on that one..
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God forbid I thought guys on here would be more helpful than Honda-tech. Guess I was wrong on that one..
everyone think its easy to get power out of these, but its not.
its expensive and you have to do more than just bolt on things... you have to rebuild almost whole engine over again (because motor is wholeness you have to think whole picture: from the air intake to the exhaust tip - everything effects on everything) and it takes some research work and money... you seem to little bit lost here first talking about bigger build, then about selling your car and installing bolt ons. doesnt make sense, since building lude needs dedication. there is easier cars to build if you want to make more power than stock.

skunk2 tuner 1 cams are pretty pointless. they have almost stock low cam because of california laws and since they cost almost same as better cams, there really is no reason why to get ones.. unless youre turboing your car. with little more money to invest, its smarter to get better valvetrain and better cams that you could really benefit from your purchase
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Re: small h22a possible build for fun

Ok THATS what I wanted to hear. Sorry if I've confused you but ignore what I said about selling it, it's a long story. Let me rephrase this.. How can I get closer to 200 wheel horsepower on a stock bottom end? So far ive been advised skunk2 pro 1 or tuner stage 2 cams WITH the valve train, hytech replica header, high flow cat, 3 inch exhaust, bigger fuel injectors and a tune.

What should I do about the intake manifold? How expensive is the euro r Mani? I was looking to port my stock one but not if it's not worth it.
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Re: small h22a possible build for fun

I think its a good idea to port your stock IM
check this out
BlackTrax - Intake Manifolds
dont know that would you get discount if you send your own IM to them to be ported (you could ask this)

... myself, I have skunk2 IM and Im happy with it. Works nice and its better than OEM, everything what I hoped for my IM. When I looked about IMs EuroR costed double what skunk2 did and its harder to get (now remember that I live in Finland, but since I asked that from Rosko Racing overthere, it really doesnt matter since they/he didnt know if they can get me one). These hype persons now come will tell you/us/me HOW MUCH THEIR euroR is better but I dont personally think its that much better that it would be reasonable to pay that much more for it

Skunk2 Pro IM $383
BlackTrax Custom Machined IM Stage 3 $325
Rosko's Modified Euro-R IM over $575 (if available)

Like I said, you'd be happy whatever you would choose from those (with good intake and maybe bigger throttle body)

skunk2 pro 1+ cams are better than tuner 2's (and not because I ordered ones ) they're supposed to give you more torque and they're kinda advanced technology-wise than tuners
and get of course adjustable cam gears

you could also look at Brian Crower stage 2 cams and valvetrain. Theyre little bit cheaper than skunk2
and then theres Blox Racing cams and valvetrain also... so few different options to think about

Crower Stage 2 cams + valvetrain $840
Brian Crower stage 2 cams + valvetrain $876
Blox Racing Type B cams + valvetrain $998
Skunk2 Pro 1 cams + valvetrain $1117 (costs with Pro valvetrain even more)
(these are their website prices, you might get them cheaper somewhere?)

Id think those would do it, if still not enough, change car :P
and BUY EVERYTHING AT ONCE, you save money, could get better deals from bigger buy and then install everything at once.... in this way
you save money when you dont have to tune your car over and over again. I know it costs MUCH, but you cannot do this with
small amounts. Think what everything costs, save money and order those stuff.

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Re: small h22a possible build for fun

Damn... Those were about the same prices I found.. I really don't wanna go turbo on this one but I see why everyone opts to go that route.

Thanks for the advice. I did think ahead and plan on doing everything at once.
You didn't port out your s2 intake did you?

What about cutting the balance shaft belts. I've heard of about an 8 hp increase from this. You just get more vibration at idle, correct?
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You didn't port out your s2 intake did you?
well when my head was ported my S2 IM were there too, but Im pretty sure the guy who ported the head didnt need to do anything to it. S2 IM opening is 66mm so I just bought 66mm throttle body that I dont need to port match them together.

btw, if you dont do those installings yourself, double the amount of money what youre saving for parts

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O no I've rebuilt several motors so I'd be doing all the work myself.
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What about cutting my balance shaft belts?
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Re: small h22a possible build for fun

Balance shaft eliminator kit!!!

IMO
DD car - no
track car - yes

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