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Old 02-06-2011, 07:12 PM
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Small bump in power?

Hey guys, I've done a little searching and didn't really find anything to suit what I'm getting after. Basically, I want a little more uumph in my H22. I don't give 2 sh!ts about hp numbers. I don't see things as a final number but a % of increase. I saw where the tri-y header actually added power. If that were to be coupled with say Crower Stage 1 cams and an s2k throttle body can I expect 5-10% more? 5-10% being quite noticeable. The reason I bring this up is I hear everyone say these are add ons that don't require a tune and actually make a real world driving difference.

I'm not tuning my car. Don't suggest it. I know why it's advantageous, I'm a tweaker myself and like to play god when I get the chance. Until I have something that necessitates a tune like a turbo'ed setup Im not spending the time and money to take it 4 hrs away and spend $100/hr on a dyno all after converting to obd1.

So, with that being said, is this a good step and worth while for a daily driver?
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Old 02-06-2011, 08:19 PM
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Re: Small bump in power?

Just imho but if u dont care about numbers but just care about it having a bit more get up and go. Throw in an lsd. Quaife makes a really good one for about 1k (im canadian so itd be cheaper if ur in the states). Will make the car much faster off the line as you wont spend all day spinning one wheel.

Plus ul be able to get on the power sooner out of a corner.

The fact it makes daily driving in all terrains and weather a hell of a lot easier doesnt hurt either
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Re: Small bump in power?

If I were a stop light racer or autocrosser that would be a really good idea and in fact, I hadn't even really thought of it. Im looking more for mid range drivable power. Passing power, hill climbing( I live in the mountains) acceleration out of corners (which an lsd would help with, although I don't have a traction issue). Also, lsds and ice are a bad combo. They actually understeer more. And when we have snow on the ground 7 months out of the year not a good benefit.

Thanks for the input tho. I like the out of the box thinking.
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Re: Small bump in power?

3in exhaust piping along with that header and a decent exhaust. Ive read that, that is a good mod for power. A short ram would also help with mid range to top end power as well i do believe. And i know you don't want to tune the car but im sure that if you do change the components like cams your going to have to. but im not 100% on that.
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Re: Small bump in power?

I saw numbers one time that the tri-y headers do add a bump in power without a tune.. so a nice tri-y header + new exhaust from there back would probably give you the pep you want without needing a tune, although a tune would make it run better.

If you get into any kind of internal work though you will need a tune (cams)
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3in exhaust piping along with that header and a decent exhaust. Ive read that, that is a good mod for power. A short ram would also help with mid range to top end power as well i do believe. And i know you don't want to tune the car but im sure that if you do change the components like cams your going to have to. but im not 100% on that.
From what ive heard short rams actually are worse then our stock intake. Either a better filter on the stock or a cai would show minor gains
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I like the 3" exhaust idea but is there any way to keep it mellow? I don't want overly loud.

I currently have an sri and k&n filter. Forgot to mention that. I think I have a stock intake, maybe ill try that out.

The reason I bring up the crower cam is they say you don't need ecu modificaions and I know a cam is really what controls how much a/f you actually deliver
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From what ive heard short rams actually are worse then our stock intake. Either a better filter on the stock or a cai would show minor gains
wow really? i never would have guessed.... well it will sound cool
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I like the 3" exhaust idea but is there any way to keep it mellow? I don't want overly loud.

I currently have an sri and k&n filter. Forgot to mention that. I think I have a stock intake, maybe ill try that out.

The reason I bring up the crower cam is they say you don't need ecu modificaions and I know a cam is really what controls how much a/f you actually deliver
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I like the 3" exhaust idea but is there any way to keep it mellow? I don't want overly loud.

I currently have an sri and k&n filter. Forgot to mention that. I think I have a stock intake, maybe ill try that out.

The reason I bring up the crower cam is they say you don't need ecu modificaions and I know a cam is really what controls how much a/f you actually deliver
put a silencer on it. But that may hurt a little of the perormance but i dont think it will be that much. And it may be true im still fresh on this whole tunning thing myself. You may not have to do any ECU work with a stage one cam setup. BUt the way i veiw that is you ECU was made to work with what is there so if there is a change it might affect it negativly. But im def going to look into that.
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put a silencer on it. But that may hurt a little of the perormance but i dont think it will be that much. And it may be true im still fresh on this whole tunning thing myself. You may not have to do any ECU work with a stage one cam setup. BUt the way i veiw that is you ECU was made to work with what is there so if there is a change it might affect it negativly. But im def going to look into that.
You are definately right. The ecus are pretty well dialed in. There isn't a whole lot to gain from nods with out tuning. But by nature they are designed to monitor air/ratio and adjust accordingly within a small parameter.
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you cant install cams with out replacing the valve springs and retainers. gotta keep that in mind
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I thought there where brands of cams that allow you to keep you valve springs and retainers. Did you mean he has to replace them and get new ones or upgrade them?
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I thought there where brands of cams that allow you to keep you valve springs and retainers. Did you mean he has to replace them and get new ones or upgrade them?
upgrade to like brian crower skunk 2 or supertech.

u can keep the stock valves but at that point might as well replace em.

and if you wanna run stage 3 cams if im not mistaken u need titanium retainers
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get some stage one cams, adj cam gears upgrade your igniton (better spark burns more fuel so please don't tell this guy not to!) port match the throttle body to the intake and if you really feel like going overboard P&P your head all of this will be set off with a good I/H/E set up and your good for atleast 15+ WHP
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I've installed the tri y header and love it, definitely showed a noticeable gain without a tune. :::biglegs:::1998 prelude sh He has a 3" exhaust and from the video on page 2 it sounds pretty quiet. I would go that route. Have you thought about Type S cams over a stage 1 aftermarket cam? Also, I've heard bad things about the H series throttle body from S2, it seems they like to stick.

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get some stage one cams, adj cam gears upgrade your igniton (better spark burns more fuel so please don't tell this guy not to!) port match the throttle body to the intake and if you really feel like going overboard P&P your head all of this will be set off with a good I/H/E set up and your good for atleast 15+ WHP
stage one cams yes, adj cam gears no - he wants something he can put in without tuning, upgrade ignition no - stock ignition is fine, cars with over 400whp run stock ignition, port match TB to intake sure, and he already said he doesnt wanna go overboard.
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i have always been under the impression that you needed adj cam gears to properly time the aftermarket cams? when i had the stage one crowers in my last lude we could not get it running right with stock cam gears
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i have always been under the impression that you needed adj cam gears to properly time the aftermarket cams? when i had the stage one crowers in my last lude we could not get it running right with stock cam gears
Well you can't move the exhaust cam on an OBDII H22 without changing the distributor over to OBDI, and I highly doubt he wants to do that.

I wouldn't think you would need to mess with it on a stage 1 cam but I guess I was wrong, excuse me. Maybe its just on some applications it needs to be changed.
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I've installed the tri y header and love it, definitely showed a noticeable gain without a tune. :::biglegs:::1998 prelude sh He has a 3" exhaust and from the video on page 2 it sounds pretty quiet. I would go that route. Have you thought about Type S cams over a stage 1 aftermarket cam? Also, I've heard bad things about the H series throttle body from S2, it seems they like to stick.



stage one cams yes, adj cam gears no - he wants something he can put in without tuning, upgrade ignition no - stock ignition is fine, cars with over 400whp run stock ignition, port match TB to intake sure, and he already said he doesnt wanna go overboard.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! This is the feed back I'm looking for. The port matching and polishing on the TB isn't something I'd be afraid to tackle. On the head, is kindof a different story for this engine.

The reason I'm not wanting to go crazy is because I now have a project in my driveway. I'm boosting an F22 with the intentions of 250ish hp. I know turbo and cheap are not synonymous but it is FAR cheaper and more reliable to do so on the F vs. H. That will be something I trailer to have tuned. By then I will have a new daily driver and this will be a toy...along with my Toy I'm getting next month lol. But anyway, the boosted engine wont be in for at least a couple years. So a small make over for now is what I'm after.

I do really like the sound of that exhaust. A lot! Nice mellow idle and gets a little pissed off with some right pedal. I have a guy to do really cheap good exhaust work so that is in the cards. Its good to hear thumbs up on the tri y. My stock mani is lookin pretty shabby so I wanna get rid of it anyway.

Type S wouldn't be out of the cards. Just didn't know if that was good, better, indifferent than the Stage 1 cams by other manufacturers. I like the idea of OEM because they spend a WHOLE lot more on R&D than aftermarket manufacturers.

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sounds like you want a bigger final drive.
You have my attention. I'm curious to know more. What does this provide? what are the draw backs? How is it achieved?
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You have my attention. I'm curious to know more. What does this provide? what are the draw backs? How is it achieved?
From what little knowledge I possess about transmissions/drive ratios I am guessing a bigger final drive would produce a little more acceleration at the sacrifice of top speed.

However, I donno the first thing about changing drive ratios or gearing.

Should probably just wait till he chimes back in, I reckon he has a lot more knowledge on it than I do.
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From what little knowledge I possess about transmissions/drive ratios I am guessing a bigger final drive would produce a little more acceleration at the sacrifice of top speed.

However, I donno the first thing about changing drive ratios or gearing.

Should probably just wait till he chimes back in, I reckon he has a lot more knowledge on it than I do.
Well thanks for sharing your little knowledge, lol. If that were the case I could live with that but I have a feeling that will raise my rpm at highway speeds as well correct? That may not be so good. I do frequent long road trips and really don't wanna be spinning higher than 4k rpm for hour(s)
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Well you can't move the exhaust cam on an OBDII H22 without changing the distributor over to OBDI, and I highly doubt he wants to do that.

I wouldn't think you would need to mess with it on a stage 1 cam but I guess I was wrong, excuse me. Maybe its just on some applications it needs to be changed.
mine was obdI h23a1 so there may be differences not saying your wrong just want to make sure i wasn't wasting my time with the gears.
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correct. Acceleration and your ability to increase the amount of torque that actually goes to the ground increases. Likely, by far, one of the best modifications you can do while leaving the engine stock yet getting a much faster feeling car. Problem is its a little labor intensive so it can be expensive unless you do it yourself or take it to someone already off the car.

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they have a 4.64 FD and a 5.15FD. Stock is 4.2 IIRC.... cant remember. I wouldnt recommend the 5.15 for a street car. On reg prelude size tires, you will be maxing out 5th gear around 120mph. I run this on my race car but the size tires i have increases my top speed.

mfactory has a gearing calculator so use that and you will see if you can live with it or not.
Thanks for the info I really appreciate it. That's actually a pretty "basic physics" way of getting more power. Hadn't really thought of that before. I think it would be borderline on suiting me tho. With a spooler engine and the car being a play car down the road that may actually be a really good upgrade. For the time being tho I think it would be a bit much for engine revs. Just as a reference. I visit my parents on the other side of the rockys. Through them is pretty mellow. 60-75 but across the prairie when you can on a busy day pass 2 cars and maybe see some range cattle near the road for 70 miles, I don't agree with the posted speed limit lol.


I'm liking the idea of the tri-y and exhaust and type s cam set. Seems as tho they can be had for a reasonable price. If anyone has one let me know. Especially if you like to barter lol.
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MFactory Competition Products - Forged Transmission Components

Here is the correct link! I think he just typed in mFactory.com instead of going to it, glad I caught it.
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