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new to the prelude

alright so little over a week ago i purchased my third car and hopefully my last for a while. a 93 honda prelude si. with a 2.3 motor and a cracked radiator for $1200. i think its a good deal. its a nice car with a little get up and go. i read they pull 160 hp but with 136k miles i think less. but still with this car i wanna make it a nice project over the next 2-3 years, starting with the motor than ill worry bout the body. im thinjking by the time im done im hoping for around 220 horse. any one have any ideas that coukld help me out i was thinking cold air than upgrading the cams? after that no clue. its a completly stock car and i wanna make it so much more. boost isn't an option at the moment but like i said any ideas would be great. cheers
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Re: new to the prelude

if your keeping it all motor i would change out the intake and exhaust manifold bigger cam port and polish the head and have it re tuned, maybe new ecu if you want maxim truneability. but it sounds like you got a good starting point cant wait to see the progress.
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Re: new to the prelude

ha neither can i and actually i was told to do a cam swap so i think ill start there after cai
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Re: new to the prelude

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if your keeping it all motor i would change out the intake and exhaust manifold bigger cam port and polish the head and have it re tuned, maybe new ecu if you want maxim truneability. but it sounds like you got a good starting point cant wait to see the progress.
First of all you'll need 2 cams, not just 1. Secondly, the biggest part of a motor build is the ECU/Tune, it's not just something you might throw in if you have a little extra cash. If you throw all those parts at a motor and don't get a tune, you could potentially lose power instead of gaining it.

And since you're sticking with your H23, you should try to find an H22 head and build an H23 VTEC. It's not real difficult and it'll be a little torque monster (for a Honda anyways).
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Re: new to the prelude

I might add that it would be a good idea to weigh the option of CAI vs SAI. If you have a lot of rain in your area and/or water pools in the road alot....A CAI wouldn't be the best idea. But as to power....improve how she breathes first(in and out).
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Re: new to the prelude

ya was doing research on cold airs and turns out they dont work to well with snowy aareas so im thinking north mn might not be the best. maybe use cold air in summer and switch back as the snow falls? and yes exhaust needs work.. bad
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Re: new to the prelude

yea dude...problem with a CAI is that since its down in the bottom of the engine bay, its more prone to suck up water in the road....which waterlocks your engine...and then you have a very dead and useless engine. So an SAI would be worth it in your case. Im doing it because I go to school in the mountains of Western north carolina...where it rains quite a bit. And....concerning switching...thats a bit of trouble. I'd just keep it with a nice quality SAI, like AEM V2 or Weapon-R. Either way you should get some noticeable gains...provided you upgrade the whole system of how she breathes, in and out. That shouldn't be too hard.
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Re: new to the prelude

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I might add that it would be a good idea to weigh the option of CAI vs SAI. If you have a lot of rain in your area and/or water pools in the road alot....A CAI wouldn't be the best idea. But as to power....improve how she breathes first(in and out).
First of all, you won't have problems unless you're just retarded when you drive. I've driven through massive flooding (numerous times) and my CAI is completely exposed underneath my car. You just have to be somewhat careful when there is a decent amount of standing water.
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Re: new to the prelude

Exactly, you don't hydrolock your engine until the filter is ENTIRELY SUBMERGED. And if you drive through a puddle that deep then you deserve whatever may happen.

Although in my experiences with hydrolocked motors, if you don't try and start the car after it has went through that massive puddle, it can be saved. Because what happens is water enters the cylinder where air normally would, and then the piston moves up, going through the normal combustion process, except as we all know, water isn't combustible. So there is fuel and water and a spark, but no oxygen to burn. And it essentially creates a wall that the piston hits, bending the rods, and doing all sorts of other damage. You can run a CAI, just don't be a moron about it
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Re: new to the prelude

well considering i take big puddles going 5 miles an hour i should still be good ha. and a friend of mine was telling me not to buy the kit for a cai because the metal they use heats up and you lose power? is the true or he bsing me
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Re: new to the prelude

He's a ****ing idiot. If you bought a SRI or a CAI from a company, they would be made out of the same materials. Also, the SRI would be less effective because it would draw in warm air from the engine bay, whereas a CAI would draw in cooler air from outside the engine bay. And cooler air is denser air, which is what you want. Your friend is a botard.
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yo..so are CAI's that much better than SAI's?
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In theory, yes, but the AEM V2 makes the most power for our cars out of anything on the market today, and it's an SRI...so go figure.
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so they are worth, backed up by dyno numbers, the 360-something dollars that everyone sells them for on ebay?
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That all depends if you think it's worth it or not. Horsepower is at a premium with our motors, so I'd gladly pay $~300 for 7-9 horses.
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Shoot...that put it up there past the '10 TT. That might be worth it. Weapon-R give you anything?
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'10 TT?

And not sure about the Weapon-R...if I remember correctly, I saw 3-4whp from it on a graph over on H-T some time ago.
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2010 Audi TT. The base version has 200 horses. 3-4 horse gain doesn't sound like much.
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It's not. The H-series motors don't respond that well to bolt-ons if you haven't noticed yet. :shrug:
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yes...yes I have noticed. What do they respond to? all-out setups?
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Re: new to the prelude

They respond well to boost if built properly... They also like to be swapped into lighter chassis. A stock H22 equipped Civic hatch can run low 12's on street tires. Blake has a ridiculous amount of work put into his H23 VTEC (N/A) and he is running mid/low 12's right now I believe.

It takes a lot of time and money to pull power out of an H-Series without boosting.
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Ah...so thats why H-swaps are so popular. Unfortunately, I've got an auto. All I'm doing is trying to reduce weight without giving up cc, ac, ps, etc. Im hoping that'll give a little bit more spring to the pedal. Sorry, but Blake is?
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98VTEC. One of the pioneers on the forefront of N/A H-Motor performance. Find his build thread and check that **** out.
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