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Hey, guys. I've been doing some research for the last month or so and now i need some help and recommendations. I want to rebuild my 97 h22a4 with 140,000 miles on the motor. please tell me if I should add,delete or replace anything. As of now i have AEM cold air intake, Tri-y header with 2.5in. collector,High flow cat ,Greddy evo2 catback exhaust, Innovative mounts and LSD tranny. I want a good reliable, run strong motor. I will be driving the car mainly on weekends and also will be taking to the track.

*List has been updated* *More pics added on page 4*

The build:
1)port and polish the head
2)skunk2 series stage 2 cams
3)skunk2 valves and springs
4)Skunk2 TI retainers
5)skunk2 cam gears
6)port out stock intake manifold
7)Darton sleeves and CP pistons 11.5:1CR
8)Eagle rods
9)After market 440 injectors
10)fuel pressure regulator ??
11) fuel rail ??
12)255 walbro fuel pump
13)cometic head gasket
14)OEM oil pump
15)OEM water pump
16)Hondata IM gasket
17)Evans tuning on hondata s300

If there some thing that i didnt list or should do differently please add..
Around how much HP and TQ will i gain from this setup?
Thanks


My H22 before is was pulled


During the removal


My boyfriend Stevie in the red and our friend joe A.K.A Black


Black and I maneuvering the motor. It took us about 6 hours to completely remove the engine with stevie, black and I. We had a good time. I enjoyed it.




Disassembly of H22






In the pressure wash getting nice and clean


Block getting bored out for the Darton sleeves







Head P&P with 3 angle valve job and supertech valve guides installed from CCCylinder heads.
Took about 3 weeks to get it done after sending it out. It was $624 for the head work.








The head will be flow benched and compared to my other stock H22 head. Pics will be up soon with the head being flow benched.

Honda didnt have the right amount of rocker arms in stock, so i had to reuse my old ones. I resurfaced them and polished them by hand.














Some of my parts






Darton sleeves




OEM parts

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Re: H22 N/A rebuild...Good setup??

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Hey, guys. I've been doing some research for the last month or so and now i need some help and recommendations. I want to rebuild my 97 h22a4 with 140,000 miles on the motor. please tell me if I should add,delete or replace anything. As of now i have AEM cold air intake, Tri-y header with 2.5in. collector,High flow cat ,Greddy evo2 catback exhaust, Innovative mounts and LSD tranny. I want a good reliable, run strong motor. I will be driving the car mainly on weekends and also will be taking to the track and street racing occasionally.

?? means is it good enough?? which one??

The build:
1)port and polish the head
2)skunk2 series stage 2 cams
3)skunk2 valves and springs
4)OEM retainers/ Skunk2 TI retainers ??
5)skunk2 cam gears
6)port out stock intake manifold
7)type s pistons and rings
8)Eagle rods/ OEM rods?
9)After market Injectors/ OEM injectors ??
10)fuel pressure regulator ??
11) fuel rail ??
12)OEM fuel pump ??
13)OEM head gasket ??
14)OEM oil pump
15)OEM water pump
16)Hondata IM gasket/OEM IM gasket ??
17)Good tune...Not sure which one at the moment

If there some thing that i didnt list please add..
Will i be at stock red line with this setup? Around how much HP and TQ will i gain from this setup?
Thanks
If you get the stage 2 cams you'll have to upgrade your valve train from oem to something better.

You might want to edit out the street racing part if you don't want to get yelled at. I'm in a good mood so I thought I would just warn you now.

If you plan on taking this thing to the track then why do you have such a weak build planned? No offence to ya sir I'm just curious.
You might want to do some more research if you really plan on putting down some power. It takes a lot of work to do a strong N/A build?

What is your WHP goal?

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Re: H22 N/A rebuild...Good setup??

make it a beast, throw on a stroker kit with itbs and run crome ecu ..just my 0.2 cents
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Re: H22 N/A rebuild...Good setup??

i would go with hondata...
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Re: H22 N/A rebuild...Good setup??

whats wrong with the street racing?? im on a budget so i dont want to go too crazy. i want to be around 200-210 whp. is that possible??
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Re: H22 N/A rebuild...Good setup??

We do not condone street racing on this forum. It is stupid and dangerous.
Do not bring it up again or you will be terminated

Read the forum rules before posting.

That's possible. Based on some of the stuff you have you will be close.
Just do a little more research. Tons of stuff on this forum.

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Re: H22 N/A rebuild...Good setup??

your stock injectors will start to reach their max duty cycle somewhere around 210-220whp. if you look for numbers to expect, then you are just setting yourself up for failure. aftermarket fuel rail and fpr are just bling, there are motors with way more power than you will get with that set up still running factory fuel rail and fpr. oem or cometic hg is good. do the hondata im gasket, it lowers manifold temps. cooler air = more powa.

oh and dont bring up the street racing thing again or this thread will be closed. also, moved to the N/A section.
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Re: H22 N/A rebuild...Good setup??

alright thanks...sorry about that
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Probably get the Accord Type-R IM, get an electric water pump (they're known to get 10+whp at peak rpm), if you're going to get new pistons and rods get after-market titanium.
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No. Crome sucks. eCtune/Neptune/Hondata
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Probably get the Accord Type-R IM, get an electric water pump (they're known to get 10+whp at peak rpm), if you're going to get new pistons and rods get after-market titanium.
wouldn't i have to re sleeve the block if i would go with some after market pistons?
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Re: H22 N/A rebuild...Good setup??

Depends. I know you can run some Mahle pistons with our FRM sleeves, not sure about any other brands. And you should probably look into valve seals also, something along the lines of Supertech.
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Re: H22 N/A rebuild...Good setup??

would i be able to rev to 8k with no problems?? i also heard that the titanium retainers warp at 20k? would stock retainer be some thing that you would run on this kind of a set up?
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wouldn't i have to re sleeve the block if i would go with some after market pistons?
Not if you keep the compression ratio at a reasonable level, it never hurts though. 11:1 would be fine and I think up to 12:1 would be safe, someone correct me if I'm wrong on that.

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would i be able to rev to 8k with no problems?? i also heard that the titanium retainers warp at 20k? would stock retainer be some thing that you would run on this kind of a set up?
8k would not be a problem, not sure about the warping though.
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when your done no matter how much hp u build you will realize you should have gone turbo every single day.....
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LOL..maybe sometime in the future but as of now im ALL MOTOR
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when your done no matter how much hp u build you will realize you should have gone turbo every single day.....
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^^^ +1 at that. Good luck with your build.
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LOL..maybe sometime in the future but as of now im ALL MOTOR
if you have considered turbo it would be wise to build for that now.

you don't want to buy a bunch of n/a high compression stuff and then turn around and not be able to use it,
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Not if you keep the compression ratio at a reasonable level, it never hurts though. 11:1 would be fine and I think up to 12:1 would be safe, someone correct me if I'm wrong on that.



8k would not be a problem, not sure about the warping though.
8k with a upgraded valvetrain and you should be ok.

as far as re-sleeve... it's a must unless your going to run type-s or mahle pistons. our pistons are special! (actually its sorta a pain) but compression doesn't have anything to do with it, just the coating on the stock pistons.

edit: id also look into a EuroR manifold and Hondata IM gasket. maybe a larger throttle body or atleast bore your stock one out.
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if u wanna go all out, just short of ITB's....
http://dh-racing.com/hseries.shtml
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u get one. Its an adapter. How bout you click the link for dh-racing and check out their media section ;)
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when your done no matter how much hp u build you will realize you should have gone turbo every single day.....
be constructive to the topic at hand.

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will the skunk2 tuner series stage 2 cams give me real bad idle problems?
and if i would get the tuner series should i also get the tuner series standard size skunk2 valve train?
Yes i will be getting the Hondata IM gasket.

Thanks for all your help

How about bearings???

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with the Skunk2 stage 2's you will notice a difference in idle however it's not going to be anything dramatic. i don't know anyone personally with them in a H22 but my buddy has them in his B16 and they're fine. just get yourself a good tune (which your gonna do anyways) and you'll be set.
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what are the most common cams for a h22? jun???
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Re: H22 N/A rebuild...Good setup??

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will the skunk2 tuner series stage 2 cams give me real bad idle problems?
and if i would get the tuner series should i also get the tuner series standard size skunk2 valve train?
Yes i will be getting the Hondata IM gasket.

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How about bearings???
OEM or ACL will be fine

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what are the most common cams for a h22? jun???
Most people go with skunk2 or brian crower. jun is a bit out of most people's price range.
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Re: H22 N/A rebuild...Good setup??

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if u wanna go all out, just short of ITB's....
http://dh-racing.com/hseries.shtml
down at the bottom of the page...
meh...

go ahead and roll the dice.
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