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non-VTEC--> VTEC

This is prob a newby ques so sue me, but is it possible to convert non-vtec to vtec? i'm constantly told vtec is ultimately the way to go but i'd rather not have to buy a new 23vtec if i don't have to.
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Re: non-VTEC--> VTEC

im pretty sure that is impossible but im not going to say yes or no with out having good sorces. but if it is it prolly would cost way more than its worth and i mean way more than its worth. like more than buying a h22a and having it swapped.
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Re: non-VTEC--> VTEC

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im pretty sure that is impossible but im not going to say yes or no with out having good sorces. but if it is it prolly would cost way more than its worth and i mean way more than its worth. like more than buying a h22a and having it swapped.
yea, i figured as much... but it was worth asking. i think i'm going to just try to concentrate on the path to a turbo. But i'm sure my MPG will go down and w/ these prices, it might be a while if thats the case.
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Re: non-VTEC--> VTEC

So you have the H23 now? If so you can put a h22 head and distributor and vtec solenoid and all that good stuff and have a Frankenstein build. (correct me if I'm wrong but I think thats what your asking) there are countless threads out there about that build I think.
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Re: non-VTEC--> VTEC

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im pretty sure that is impossible but im not going to say yes or no with out having good sorces. but if it is it prolly would cost way more than its worth and i mean way more than its worth. like more than buying a h22a and having it swapped.
^^ or you could stop giving out false information. ^^

people put vtec heads on non-vtec blocks all day every day, its nothing new. call it a frankenstien motor, ls/vtec, what have you, but it basically consists of putting an H22 head on whatever block you have.
advantages: vtec
disadvantages: lowers your compression ratio from a larger CC

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yea, i figured as much... but it was worth asking. i think i'm going to just try to concentrate on the path to a turbo. But i'm sure my MPG will go down and w/ these prices, it might be a while if thats the case.
my mpg went from 25-27 stock to 23-25 boosted. well worth the trade off IMO.



ppl reallyyyy need to stop assuming and giving out false uneducated information.
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Re: non-VTEC--> VTEC

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^^ or you could stop giving out false information. ^^

people put vtec heads on non-vtec blocks all day every day, its nothing new. call it a frankenstien motor, ls/vtec, what have you, but it basically consists of putting an H22 head on whatever block you have.
advantages: vtec
disadvantages: lowers your compression ratio from a larger CC



my mpg went from 25-27 stock to 23-25 boosted. well worth the trade off IMO.



ppl reallyyyy need to stop assuming and giving out false uneducated information.
well that clears it up, but how much can i expect to pay for a 22 head? i'm guessing i can visit a "pull-a-part" and get it cheaper than spank new but is even THAT worth it?

And the trade off sounds very reasonable...
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Re: non-VTEC--> VTEC

"worth it" is a relative term.

a complete H22 head usually goes for around $300
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Re: non-VTEC--> VTEC

and you most likely won't find an h22 head at the junkyard.

PPL have been making h23vtec's for years. And it works out better if you have the bottom end balanced, and then once its built and running.... then its off to be tuned
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Re: non-VTEC--> VTEC

i had a brain fart. lol i completly forgot about the h23 frankenstein. one of my friends did it. but i never stated u couldnt i said i wasnt sure so i wouldnt say yes or no.
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information. ^^

disadvantages: lowers your compression ratio from a larger CC
use h22 pistons
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Re: non-VTEC--> VTEC

i just just talkin about the poor-mans frank motor; aka just a headswap. no bottom end work
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Re: non-VTEC--> VTEC

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i just just talkin about the poor-mans frank motor; aka just a headswap. no bottom end work
what is the reliablity rate of that? because i have been considering this as my build. but i have only read negative things from most people.

this is why i hate building motors because there is some many possiblities and no gaurentee i will be happy with any build i chose till i do it! but i have been wrenching on cars with my uncles since i was 8!

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Re: non-VTEC--> VTEC

Well, there might be something to it if there's nothing but negative about it.

Short and sweet, the bottom end of the H23 won't last too long if you just slap an H22 head on it and drive.
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Well, there might be something to it if there's nothing but negative about it.

Short and sweet, the bottom end of the H23 won't last too long if you just slap an H22 head on it and drive.
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Re: non-VTEC--> VTEC

if the h23 bottom end wont last as long then you can just sleeve it to rev it higher since the h22 revs higher than the h23 and it beneficial you get the high revving and vtec from the h22 headand the nice torque from the h23 and itll cost him way more than $300especially with new cams and all that cause if hes going to build it and want it reliable you'll need to do it the right way and get new parts cause slapping a new head on a bottom end is going to equal a disaster down the road lol

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