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Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

Im kinda in the middle of finally putting parts on the car to make it go "faster". I was messing around with a 0-60 calculator i use and this is what i came up with.

Im automatic right now so keep that in mind. It will get swapped eventually. My 97 base has 190hp at the crank. If i up that power to just 224hp at the crank, weigh 2700lbs (currently i weigh 2803), and when its a manual...i should run 5.85 secs in the 0-60 calculator.

http://www.060calculator.com/

Right now all i have is a Apexi WS2. I have an intake on the way (JDM Type S) and will prolly get the hytech replica since it give nice power output for the price. Now assuming i only gain 5hp from the intake/exhaust it self and 10hp from the header that puts me at 205hp at the crank. Ill have to get 19 more hp. I dont want to spend a ton of money to get there right now (this is only a fun build and will be redone when i grad hs)...any suggestions?
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

Crank horsepower doesn't mean anything.
Hell, neither does WHP unless you just want bragging rights for numbers and show off a dyno sheet rather than time slips.

If you don't want to spend a lot of money, don't expect to get a lot of reliable power.
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

Why does crank/whp mean nothing?

Well its pretty close to being accurate on stock engines. I dont see why the time would change alot when you tweak the input numbers?
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

Because your car is an extension of you and your driving skill. For example, those 800 whp Supras running 15's in the 1/4 while stock 4th gen Ludes making 170 whp with an exceptional driver can run mid 14's stock.

You also should take into consideration the age, wear, and tear on your engine along with the fact that every engine is unique, even from the factory. Not every H22A4 made exactly 190 crank hp when it was brand new. Like I said, over time, it loses some of its early spunk.

First thing should be the 5 speed swap. There's many variables that I won't go into as to why you will be faster right out of the box with that. Not to mention that while you're running OBD2, your mods are basically useless as far as making power goes. For example, one of two races I've done in my car was against another black 98 Lude, also 5 speed, which had i/h/e and pulley kit. I was stock. 0-90, his front bumper was at my back bumper. How did I win? I'd say a combination of driving skill/knowing my car better and possibly my engine simply being a little healthier.

See what I'm saying?
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

Yeah i see what your saying. But im saying getting the power up to 224hp at the crank. Disregard the 190hp from factory since it could be lower from age etc. An obd1 conversion is something i left out of that first part, sorry about that. Getting better at the shifts will come with time. Would the car be capable of running a 5.85secs 0-60 based on those input numbers? Or is this calculator off? It seems to be almost spot on when it comes to factory input numbers and the output
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

With the manual, you lose roughly 15% of your power through the drive train, so you'd need to make at least 190 whp to get to 224 crank hp.

I still don't understand why you want 224 at the crank.
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

Yeah. I understand you lose power through the transmission. Im using crank hp b/c thats the input number the calculator offers. When the input number was 224hp at the crank it came out to the 5.85secs. I know whp will be less but thats not what im asking. If you enter stock numbers into that calculator they seem almost dead on accurate, then when you enter my numbers, you get the speed of a LT1 Camaro. Just seeing if this calculator is right
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

I don't know... Those calculators don't account for weather, track, and tire conditions. It assumes it's all in perfect conditions. The only way to really know is to actually do it.
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

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I don't know... Those calculators don't account for weather, track, and tire conditions. It assumes it's all in perfect conditions. The only way to really know is to actually do it.
True that. I guess ill do it then see if that calculator is even remotely close. Just thought id ask around and see what others who know more thought about it. Thanks
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

You could get a stock diameter pulley kit, lightened valve train, titanium rods and pistons, and a lightened flywheel, keeping the same amount of power but your 1/4 mile speed would be increased dramatically due to better responsiveness.
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

peak horsepower does not mean ****......

its the area under the horsepower/torque curve that matter.
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

Why call it crank power, when you mean power to weight ratio? OFF the bat, LT1, is the entry v8 gm block of the 90's, you had several variants, the best being LT4. The reason they were so badass was they had a lot of potential and love bolt-ons (like any other gm v8 block).If you find one camaro lt1 stock, that car will also have just 5 miles on the odometer.

Power to weight ratio is a nice topic for car meets, but it doesn't mean anything if you're already in motion, that's why muscle cars are the weapon of choice as police interceptors. you might be light and powerful "like a camaro or corvette", but if you're already in motion, a HWYPD camaro will catch you. That's the underband power mentioned above. You will need at least 60hp/60 lbs tq to realize your camaro dream, combined with trial and error and research.

Enjoy your car for what it is, If you wanna put bolt ons, no one can tell you what to do with your car. If you want to make a camaro eater, open your wallet wide, because 30 hp (at the crank or wheel) isn't gonna cut it. Or, start with a manual transmission car.

EDIT: just ran my cars numbers through the calculator:
2004 gto: 350 crank hp /curb weight-3735lbs/ Manual +rwd... 4.935 for a 0-60? Gm cheated themselves out of a supercar! LOL!
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

I hope y'all know that all he is trying to do is to get a 0-60 of 5.85?

Accord euro-r runs a 0-60 of roughly 5.8 stock:


I am sure you can achieve this with the weight reduction you are planning and the following boltons:

3.5" intake
Euro-R intake
65+mm throttle body
nice header
3" exhaust

Also GOOD TIRES and a GOOD TUNE will help.
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

so I'm going with sideswipe on this one...i love my prelude its a great car but i doesnt compare to my lt1 trans am i had in performance... not dissing the lude at all because it is much more reliable and easier on gas but in order for you to build something that would keep up with my old t/a you would have to spend a lot of money to do it a couple bolt-ons arent going to do much i broke into the 13's with my stock six speed and it had 130000 not to mention i went over 160mph again not trying to diss the lude or anything its a fun and great car..but dont try and make it something its not unless you plan on spending some big bucks
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erverybody wants da cars go fasty
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

Just get a set of Skunk2 Pro2 cams, Valvetrain & Type S pistons and you should be near or over the 200whp mark crest. Thats what I would do as thats what I have planned to do.

I've heard that H22s are sensitive with their TB and IM. So with a good TB and IM, you'll see a nice decent gain as well. I would do Either S2K TB or Skunk2 68mm TB along with a Modified Euro R IM.
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

That is fast also a good place to buy parts is faster than them corp
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That is fast also a good place to buy parts is faster than them corp
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That is fast also a good place to buy parts is faster than them corp
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That is fast also a good place to buy parts is faster than them corp
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That is fast also a good place to buy parts is faster than them corp
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driver means everything. . . period
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Re: Fast as a LT1 Camaro?

My 95 Formula ran a 13.5@103 bone stock down to the paper filter and stock tires...so there is your goal...#'s racing is no gauge, put it on the track and see what she will do. ;)
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