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Old 05-07-2009, 03:57 PM
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Some N/A Build Questions

I have some questions before I begin purchasing everything for my build. I will be purchasing everything over the next couple of months, and am hoping to pull the motor and do the build sometime in late September or early October.

1.)To accomplish the complete OBD1 changeover, for tuning purposes, which distributor and oil pump do I need to get? Also what kind of wiring will need to be done for this? Would this Distributor Jumper maker it easier?
2.)I plan on getting the head milled, should I also get the block decked? If so how much, how much is too much?
3.)What thickness Head Gasket should I get?
4.)Since I will be using RC injectors will I need to get these Injector Jumpers from password?
5.)Should I get the MSD Blaster SS coil, or is the stock piece sufficient?
6.)What Spark Plugs should I use, part number please?
7.)Is it worth the extra $50 to get the Kaizenspeed balance shaft eliminator kit over the Rosko Racing kit? What’s the difference?
8.)Other than a Wideband, what other extra gauges would you recommend - oil pressure?

Bottom End:
Type S .25mm OS Pistons (already have)
Eagle Rods
New Rod Bearings
New Main Bearings
New Thrust Washers
GReddy Timing Belt
H23 Timing Belt Tensioner Conversion
Balance Shaft Elimination (?)
Honed Cylinders
Balanced Rotating Assembly
New Oilpan (mine has OS plug that is slowly leaking)
All New Gaskets and Seals

Top End:
Skunk2 Pro1 Cams
S2 Pro Series High Comp Forged Valves
S2 Dual Valve Springs/ Ti Retainers
S2 Pro Series Cam Gears
Cometic Head Gasket
ARP Head Studs
Port, Polish & Milled Head
3 Angle Valve Job
Removing AC, PS, and Cruise Control

Ignition & Fuel:
NGK Spark Plug Wires
NGK Spark Plugs
OBD1 Distributor
BDL Fuel Rail (already have)
BDL Fuel Pressure Regulator
RC 440cc Injectors
Walbro 255 lph Fuel Pump

Breathing & Exhaling:
Mishimoto Aluminum Radiator
Samco Hoses
PRM Cold Air Intake
BDL 68mm Throttle Body
EuroR Intake Manifold prepared by Rosko Racing
Hondata Heatshield Intake Gasket
Bisimoto Header
2.5” Resonated Test Pipe (already have)
Apex’i N1 Catback Exhaust (already have)

Drivetrain:
ESP Motor Mounts
Competition Stage 2 Clutch Kit
Fidanza 8lb Flywheel
PSPEC Short Throw Shifter

Electrical:
P28 ECU (already have)
Tuning will be done by Blue Ridge Motorsports.
AEM Wideband Air/Fuel Gauge
Oil Pressure Gauge
EGT Gauge

I think that’s everything. Feel free to let me know if I am missing any pieces of the puzzle.
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Re: Some N/A Build Questions

Stock ignition is fine.
Keep your balancer shafts.
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Re: Some N/A Build Questions

dont get brian crower!!! skunk2 cams ftw!!!!
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Re: Some N/A Build Questions

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Stock ignition is fine.
Keep your balancer shafts.
is there a reasoning behind this?

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dont get brian crower!!! skunk2 cams ftw!!!!
ive done my research and im goin with brian crower.
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dont get brian crower!!! skunk2 cams ftw!!!!
Is there any reasoning behind this?
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Re: Some N/A Build Questions

I have all brian crower internals in my head...

stock ignition is fine, I still have mine.

get an oil pressure gauge for sure. It's good to know when you should shut her down so you don't have catastrophic failure.
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Is there any reasoning behind this?
crower cam is good on b-series motor. jun or skunk2 are good on h-series.
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Re: Some N/A Build Questions

+1 Cuz ^^^ that guy said so. :/

I love people that post "facts" without any reasoning. Lawl. I know when I was researching my build (it was just a hot street build, no bottom end work), all the dynos I compared between BC and Skunk2, Skunk2 seemed to be better for my application. Do you have any dynos for BC cams on a built motor like the one you have in mind? Just curious since I could never come across any dynos for BC cams.

Your list looks really good though. You should wait to buy your Euro-R Intake Mani til the very end though...cuz who knows, since there is an adapter for the K-series IM to fit on H22's now, you could get even more out of the motor.
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Re: Some N/A Build Questions

ok... I've owned boomslang's obd2 to obd1 conversion harness. I can vouche for them as far as professionalism and craftmanship.

stock ignition is fine.

as far as removing the balancer shaft? I wanted to try that but did not get a chance to do it. can't comment on it. I Believe E wanted to remove it and I told him to just leave it alone so I'll stick with that.

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Crowker internals?
Sorry, Buddy of mine hates them, he's seen way too many blow up for our tastes.
to each his own i suppose.
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Re: Some N/A Build Questions

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crower cam is good on b-series motor. jun or skunk2 are good on h-series.
actually skunk2 makes more power on B series as well as H series. but people who own preludes prefer a beefier midrange so they go with Brian Crower. I think He want's more mid range that's why he is going the BC.


ps the pro series have great midrange too

there are no right or wrong answers with cams because it's just in the application that they are being used with/for.
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i just bought one of these. it's sitting about a foot from me. there's no flex pipe. just thought i'd mention that since i didn't even think about it.
yeah i know, i havent figured exactly what to do. im thinkin i can find a short 2.5" flex pipe and cut a piece out of the collector and weld it in, plus the test pipe that i have is a lil bit short so that will help out.

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actually skunk2 makes more power on B series as well as H series. but people who own preludes prefer a beefier midrange so they go with Brian Crower. I think He want's more mid range that's why he is going the BC.

ding ding ding. you got it. plus everyone goes with skunk2 on the H-series, i wanted to be a little different. i mean ogs is runnin the bc stuff and his build is pretty insane.

ive been researchin this stuff for the past 8 months pretty hard and this is what i have come to, if anyone thinks something is better than what i have listed than please recommend it. but please back up your opinions with some info instead of just saying part A is better than part B.
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Crowker internals?
Sorry, Buddy of mine hates them, he's seen way too many blow up for our tastes.
to each his own i suppose.

How you been Thomas? the same can be said about skunk2 as well. I had all s2 internals and I went kaboom!
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ding ding ding. you got it. plus everyone goes with skunk2 on the H-series, i wanted to be a little different. i mean ogs is runnin the bc stuff and his build is pretty insane.

ive been researchin this stuff for the past 8 months pretty hard and this is what i have come to, if anyone thinks something is better than what i have listed than please recommend it. but please back up your opinions with some info instead of just saying part A is better than part B.
I don't know if you researched the pro1s but they make good mid-range. Since you not getting too crazy with compression I'd recommend them. The do cost a little more than BC, but... well.... you get what I'm trying to say.


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Ace's advice cause me to step back and reconsider the balancer shaft thing initially.
I started actually researching it more and it's just not something I'd do on a street car, especially, without having everything internally balanced, which can cost a little bit.

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That's a nice build, I got crower stage 2's, they've been around for a while now, if they were bad, the company would be broke don't you think?
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That's a nice build, I got crower stage 2's, they've been around for a while now, if they were bad, the company would be broke don't you think?
true, you have any numbers on your build. if so, to what extent did you take everything else? stock bottom end?
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He is getting the crank balanced so he is set.

The Kaizenspeed balance shaft removal kit comes complete with instructions on how to correctly install each of the pieces included in the kit. It aslo comes with the allen wrench needed to thread the tap provided with the kit to plug the oil feed port in the block. I do not know anything about the rosko kit.

On an N/A build I would remove it for sure as long as you are getting the crank balanced.
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i think E is saying to get everything balanced, including the rods and pistons.
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ps the pro series have great midrange too

there are no right or wrong answers with cams because it's just in the application that they are being used with/for.
i never really looked into the pro series, just the tuner series. the more i look at the pro1's the more i like them. below is dyno sheet for the pro1's with basic bolt ons and no tune, and it made 24whp and 17ftlb of torque. thats pretty impressive. i called brian crower and asked for a dyno sheet, they said they didnt have one online but that i would average about 23-25whp and 16-18ftlb of torque, but that was on a block with 11.5:1 comp ratio and tuned.

the pro1's with valve springs, forged high comp valves, and Ti retainers is $460 more, but i could care less about the cost if they are going to perform better for what i have. the only thing i am concerned about is running the Ti retainers. i have read that stainless steel is recommended for street/dd builds. would i have any problems with running the titanium retainers? this is not my dd (thats what the 3rd gen is for), but i do like to take this car on trips to car shows and autocross and what not.

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i think E is saying to get everything balanced, including the rods and pistons.
Exactly. And, even then, for the money you spend completely removing the balance shafts, you don't gain much over simply not putting the belt on them. You only lose 10lbs, and if you don't like life without them, you're kinda SOL
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Re: Some N/A Build Questions

I'm just saying I wouldn't remove them on a DD. The gains aren't really worth it. I've heard it helps the oil pressure a tad, which could be accomplished by using a Honda-brand S2K oil filter. If you're hell bent on shedding that 10 pounds, buy a carbon fiber hood or an ESP alternator bracket.
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i had looked at that and was prolly gonna get it anyways. i wanna hear some more opinions on the matter before i make final decision on the balance shafts.
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so how much boots are you planning on pushing?
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Re: Some N/A Build Questions

I say leave the balancer shafts. The weight can be lost elsewhere...and like you said, you like to take the car on long trips. I would only remove them if the entire bottom end was getting balanced. And I knew you'd come to love the S2 Pro1's. :)
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