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H22 vs. H23

Ok, now relax and calm down. I'm gonna forgo the flame suit for now, hear me out.

I am well aware of the generic info on 22 vs 23 (4th Gen spec).

My question is.

I have picked up a project Prelude from a friend, it presenly has the 23 and its a recent swap from its blown orginal engine. So its necking the 50k in terms of age and use.

I can put 3 grand into this car for the engine, after I fix its other issues (interior and exterior etc., and believe me, I have pinched every penny in that department)

So, am I better off doing a 22 swap for about a grand, and going as far with the last two grand I can.

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Keep the 23, and see what I can do for three grand.

Yes, I want to keep this N/A.

Ideas, suggestions, comments are welcome.
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Re: H22 vs. H23

h deuce deuce all the way. stronger block and more starting hp and torque
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Re: H22 vs. H23

If you are new at building honda motors then H22 swap without a doubt. Not that the H23 isn't a nice motor, or can't make some power, but the H22 has a few more perks to it.

for one, you start out with a better building block. 160hp vs 200hp. You know how hard it is to get 40 hp doing a N/A build? I will tell you right now its hard as fucck.

second, there is a LOT more aftermarket support for the H22. H22's are swapped into civics a lot. The more popular the motor = the more parts available.

third, you don't know whats gonna happen once you tear down the h23 and rebuild it. You have NO idea. Something can always go wrong. A swap you don't have to crack the motor apart.

and lastly, you'll make more power. Straight up. You pick up an H22 for a stack. With 2 grand left over you could pick up I/E/H + Cams and probably even tune it.


BUT I will say this-
If you feel your ready to take on the rebuilding of a motor, then by all means. You could even go crazy and swap an H22 head on your H23 for a few hundred scooners. with 3 grand you could easily pick up some high compression pistons and upgrade the whole bottom end. Or, you could spend some money on head work.

This could go a million different ways.

Do you have experience building motors? Are you going to be building the motor up yourself?
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Re: H22 vs. H23

I'm going to post in place of Kronicus. I'm sure he would say, if you're going to keep the 23 then put your money into the bottom end that way you'll be ready for more power in the future.
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Re: H22 vs. H23

I have expirience in building Chevy 350's and such. However that hobby is such a pain in the ass when gas goes up. So I am venturing into this world.

Believe me, from all the searches and technical stuff I have seen regarding these engines....its a whole different world.

Hmmm,

So perhaps I could buy the 22, and rebuild it from the ground up.

I could go for a 250whp build, however seems thats a bit a trouble it seems.

I/H/E and high compression internals. I'm going to run prices, this forum has some good stuff relating to what brands are proven.

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Re: H22 vs. H23

welcome... I swapped my h23 for a 22, but then again, my h23 had almost 230,000 on it... not 50... with that few miles I would be reluctant to get rid of an engine... if you have some experience the Frankenstein engine is not a bad idea... (see blake's NA car... name 98vtec on here...). Good luck with the project... keep us posted...

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Re: H22 vs. H23

So you have 3k to redo the engine i would say pick up a not so good h22 tear it down and rebuild it since ya have some back ground with rebuilding engine that way you can rive the lude as you build the h22 and Like smokey said the h22 with have about 30-40 more hp from the get go throw a few thing in with the rebuild and you be set.
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Re: H22 vs. H23

i have the same issue now, but the good thing about doing an engine swap would be that you'll still have your daily driver running. Set the H22 up on an engine stand and rebuild it your way, all while running the H23 as a daily. I was all about N/A but with a H23 myself turbocharging seems like the route i'll take...
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Re: H22 vs. H23

Hey Lec where you live cuz if you are going to swap a h22 in i would love to buy your h23 from you if your not selling it for to much.
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no poll? Well I vote Hdub duece
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Hey Lec where you live cuz if you are going to swap a h22 in i would love to buy your h23 from you if your not selling it for to much.
Well heres the catch, I am deployed right now, and I will be back in June, and work probably won't begin until July. The new engine is going in first, so Around mid july is when I can have the 23 out.

I am stationed in Fort Rucker, AL

I could see letting the 23 go for a less than typical price....which the typical price seems to be around 700 at the various sites. If this timetable works for you, let me know.

Ok,

So in building the 22.

I will do some headwork and put more agressive valvetrain and camwork in addition to higher compression pistons. That would eat up about $2500.

I'll go overbudget......why not?

Oh, and newbie question coming at you. It seems like there are a lot of variables in talking N/A potential.

I wouldn't be crazy to expect 220-230whp with a good build and headwork....

Would I?
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So in building the 22.

I will do some headwork and put more agressive valvetrain and camwork in addition to higher compression pistons. That would eat up about $2500.
unless you find kick ass deals on everything and buy them used, you will eat up 2500 dollars in headwork, valvetrain, and cams.

for instance:

skunk2 Pro2 - say 600
valvetrain - 400-500
headwork - 800
pistons - 500-600
rods - 300-800
tuning - 300-800
upgrade header - 500-1000


the labor to sleeve the block and get the bottom end assembled and blueprinted will run you 2500 alone.

are you doing this work yourself?

If not, i would plan to spend around 8-9k for a well built engine that lasts, makes good power and is reliable.
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Re: H22 vs. H23

Ouch.....thats pricey.

I will be doing alot of the work myself, anything that doesn't need a shop, I do have a hookup with that, however, he's a 350 man, and isn't into the tight clearances these engines make their money on, so I will do that work myself with his equipment.

The prices you quote make sense, but I figure correctly, I've spent at least twice that (8k) in gas over the past three years I have driven my Camaro around. 10mpg....is not cool.

Oh, and getting my ass handed to me by some well built JDM machines is quite a confidence check in the V8 world. It's just not worth anymore.

I appreciate all your guys help, and based on the info I found, I may need to sell my Camaro to fund this venture as it will go over my budget. It will be worth it.

I am still playing around with ideas, so if you see some new posts regarding this, don't be surprised. However the search is being used extensivley on like three forums, so newbie questions will be non-existant.

Lastly, around July I will post a project thread for when I get started, I am starting with a hell of a canvas, the 94 I have hasn't been taken care of, but its rust free so I will go for it.

Thanks again guys.
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best of luck, we (I) am looking forward to seeing the progress... you could still keep your h23 block, and get the h22 head :)
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best of luck, we (I) am looking forward to seeing the progress... you could still keep your h23 block, and get the h22 head :)
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Lol,

Kidding, although the pairing of the two is difficult, I'd rather learn on the tried and true mods of the H22, after that, we will see from there.

I have a 94 by chance, however I am looking at several 5th gen's. I may get one of those instead, I like the design better.
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Re: H22 vs. H23

Hey well that is a lil later than i would like be pm me when you take it out and see if i have put a new engine in yet. Hopefully i do but you never know im broke.
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