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:::liveness2006::: 1998 Base Supercharged H23 VTEC

Here is the lude a week before it went on vacation to the tuner


First day with my white lude after a 6 hour round trip drive (Silver lude was my other lude at the time)






Interior
Red carbon fiber dash accents
LED dome light
Sun visors from a 1997 prelude. (No yellow warning labels)
Momo shift knob

Exterior
Painted pure white
Carbon fiber hood
Side markers added to fenders
Clear leans on bumper
Halo headlights
x6 HIDs
55 watt Low beam 5000k
55 watt High beam 6000k
55 watt fog lights 6000k
Custom front LED blinkers

Suspension
Neoz wheels 17x7.5 +35 offset
Blox light weight lugs
Tein coilovers
Front and rear strut bar
Camber kit on the front
Drilled slotted breaks

Engine
H22 174whp
Aem intake
Skunk intake manifold
Torque dampener
Aftermarket header
High flow cat
2.5" exhaust
Muffler unkown will update...
Chipped ecu Chrome
slim radiator fans

I.C.E
Kenwood HD radio
Speakers aftermarket unkown
Amp Kenwood 1800 watt

Future mods
This is all purchased but not installed yet but SOON... like a month away the car is in the shop as I type this
Fully built supercharged Frankenstein H23 vtec
Jackson racing supercharger
Ported s tube to match throttle body
Larger jackshaft pulley
Ported H22 head
Sleeved H23 block
lower comp pistons... I have my reasons
Entire lower end balanced.
I think it was a f22 crank pulley? for more boost...
XTD light weight racing 10lbs but weighed it myself and it came out to 12lbs.
Aftermarket clutch can't rememeber at the moment
Adjustable cam gears
Thermal intake manifold gasket
70mm skunk throttle body
3" exhaust
AEM fuel rail
AEM adjustable fuel regulator
AEM intake
AEM alt and PS pulleys to help compensate for the larger crankpulley
AEM gauges
650cc RC injectors
H22 kaizen timing tensioner
H22 kaizen balance shaft eliminator kit
Traction bar
walbro fuel pump
MSD coil
Mishimoto radiator

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Nice! In for updates.
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Re: :::liveness2006::: 1998 Base

Interested and will be following as well.

Have you measured the difference between the crank pulley and alternator to determine if they will even out on the size? Normally It's not recommended to change the alternator pulley.
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Interested and will be following as well.

Have you measured the difference between the crank pulley and alternator to determine if they will even out on the size? Normally It's not recommended to change the alternator pulley.
Haven't checked the size but though it wouldn't be as bad since the crank pulley is a little bigger then the stock prelude. Plus they look nice and a heck of a lot lighter. I got some pics somewhere of the weight comparison. If it did effect it to much couldn't I just upgrade to a higher output alternator?

Here is a side shot and you can see my other ludes in the back and my first vehicle 1970 VW bug. yeah its a busy driveway lol


Here is another interior shot after I installed switched the yellow fogs with the clear ones that were on the silver lude. I still need to install the fog light switch... Also switched shift knobs, I like the feel of the momo shift knob just not the so much on the looks since its that fake carbon fiber look.



Uploading some more pics to flickr from my old hard drive I will get some more on today :)
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Re: :::liveness2006::: 1998 Base

Lower compression pistons aint a bad thing reliability-wise when you set about boosting the induction.
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Re: :::liveness2006::: 1998 Base

You seem to already know where I was getting at with the alternator, refreshing as that means you're off to a good well thought out start.

What are your power goals? Also any thoughts into mounts and suspension? I sense an additional induction with your jrsc to compensate for the low comp. Making this a very reliable build.

I'd take a guess with the tq of a 23 but low comp on 11psi, 280whp 125tq
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What are your power goals? Also any thoughts into mounts and suspension? I sense an additional induction with your jrsc to compensate for the low comp. Making this a very reliable build.

I'd take a guess with the tq of a 23 but low comp on 11psi, 280whp 125tq
As for power goals your right on the money. I was hoping around the 280whp but if I get more I don't mind

As for suspension I only have a camber kit and my teins but I am hoping to get traction bar not sure what else I could get to help? Any ideas for upgrades on suspension wise?

Here are some pics of my suspension

Originally I had stock struts with lowering springs. Front lowering springs were Neuspeed and the rears didn't have any markings.



Here are some comparison shots
Rears




Fronts


Here is the weight of the new struts 12.8lbs . Couldn't find the pic of the older set but they weighted 15 to 16lbs. So there was a little improvement.


Story of these little guys found them on craigslist for $250. Sounds like it was a deal to me and drove 4 hours round trip. Worth it I think.

Another pic shows I had punch out the extra bolts for them to fit the prelude


Model numbers were dkh58- 115310 BB6 -f-98f


Will upload some pics of the ride height later. Before I would scrap on speed bumps eh...
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Re: :::liveness2006::: 1998 Base

Those TEINS are in need of a rebuild in the worst way, and unfortunately are not for a Prelude as they only made them in Basic/SuperStreet/Flex models. Hood clearance may be an issue. There is a recommended rebuild timeframe for all TEIN coilovers - i've had mine done once so far (although they have over 80,000 miles on them thus far).



Suspension - how are your inner bushings? Typically the first to fail. If all looks good, keep it stock until a change is needed. Coilovers with a good spring rate will do wonders for now.

Innovative sells a decent traction bar, however you need to make a front mount for it. Adjusting for proper caster is also a royal pain with it in comparison to an ESP. My only gripe is the low quality powdercoating and the adjusting issue - otherwise it's solid.
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Those TEINS are in need of a rebuild in the worst way, and unfortunately are not for a Prelude as they only made them in Basic/SuperStreet/Flex models. Hood clearance may be an issue. There is a recommended rebuild timeframe for all TEIN coilovers - i've had mine done once so far (although they have over 80,000 miles on them thus far).



Suspension - how are your inner bushings? Typically the first to fail. If all looks good, keep it stock until a change is needed. Coilovers with a good spring rate will do wonders for now.

Innovative sells a decent traction bar, however you need to make a front mount for it. Adjusting for proper caster is also a royal pain with it in comparison to an ESP. My only gripe is the low quality powdercoating and the adjusting issue - otherwise it's solid.
So do I have to send my Teins in or is that something I could do? Hood clearance seems to be fine so far. I Still need to adjust them to be more stiff or a softer ride. I think they were meant accord or something? Adding the traction bar to my future mods list.

Could you feel a difference after getting a rebuild on the suspension?

This is how low it was before the Teins.


Front wheel height before.


Front wheel height after.


Its a small difference but I no long have to drive sideways over speed bumps.

Also forgot I changed my rims 1 day before I dropped it off at the tuner. Found some pictures on my phone. Let me know how you guys like them? They are a different taste but I like them. Plus way easier to clean!





I have tons more pictures just let me know if its to much? I don't post often so kinda new to this. I am usually a lurker and dreamer on the forums but ever since my brain surgery I said screw it lets do it all. Jump first and ask later or I will never start my dreams.
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Boots and seals look very worn. Purchasing used teins without a history is risky as a full rebuild can cost near the same as a new kit. Basic service replaces seals and boots. But they will give a report on any further findings

I've paid a large amount due to my rods being damaged within, nothing a visual can determine
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They're your wheels. Who gives a rip what others think?
At least they aint the sos.

If you like 'em, then we like 'em. Right Mr 1606?
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Here are some more pictures of the wheels



Before


After



And a fun fact my mail lady said she "bumped" my mail box but looks like she ran it over.... it was in a wooden barrel lol


Weight of new wheels 21.2 lbs


Weight of old rims 19.8 lbs

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I thought this was a cool mod, here are the before and after sun visors. Haven't seen anyone do this yet and thought I would show it off. The yellow warning labeled visors are from my 1998 prelude and the gray cleaner look visors are from the My 1997 prelude.

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^its the details that make the difference, pretty cool
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Here is the H23 engine and it sat in my spare room for almost a year sadly. I think I could hear cry once in awhile or maybe it was just me knowing that my lude could be a little faster one day. Which is finally coming around corner.







Not sure if you guys can see but in one of the cylinder there was an issue of an outline of the piston on the cylinder wall. Well that was the first step on the start of the entire build.

Took the engine and all the misc parts down to my tuner and they honed out the walls and balanced the lower end. I also had to get the block resurfaced due to who ever had this H23 last had a belt sander to level the deck, so that wasn't very smooth or a even flat surface. I also had a custom headgasket made to help make up the difference.


Here is the supercharger that a friend and I drove for 14 hours round trip to Idaho. Picked up this little guy for $1700. Came with a few extras AEM pulleys, some injectors, a head which I sold. It was only missing the alternator bracket, easy fix.

More to come if you guys want to see more?
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There are two pieces for the alt bracket. Which are you missing?
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There are two pieces for the alt bracket. Which are you missing?

I circled the parts I don't have. The top part I didn't even mind since I seen someone say you can just make it work with out it but the bracket part is missing.



Edit: I just realized its the power steering not alternator Was going by memory, until I saw the picture lol but everything else I seen in pictures I have.

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Ah. Yeah you will want to figure a way to secure the pulley bracket somehow at that point. Otherwisw it wil rattle against your valve cover rather violently under load

I'm working on finding someone to produce a replica, however my last quote was more than I feel the charger is worth....
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Ah. Yeah you will want to figure a way to secure the pulley bracket somehow at that point. Otherwisw it wil rattle against your valve cover rather violently under load

I'm working on finding someone to produce a replica, however my last quote was more than I feel the charger is worth....
So would the replica need to be machined out of a solid piece of metal? I have a friend that is a machinist. I could see if he could make something might be cheaper? I am not sure what kind of price is reasonable?
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I was thinking aluminum. The shop that quoted me has a 3d scanner and can copy damn near anything automotive related.

I'm sure something could be worked out with them, but the estimate I received is under the assumption that I would be footing the bill for one or two and no more made. Not really worth their time.
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Here are some of the before and after shots of my carbon fiber hood. The carbon fiber hood was switched from my other prelude, but as seen it used to be very dull. Prepped it and my buddy clear coated it.

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Hood looks great
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I was thinking aluminum. The shop that quoted me has a 3d scanner and can copy damn near anything automotive related.

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Those 3d printers are amazing.


Hood looks....WOW!
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The engine should be installed and tuned by sometime next week hoping for Monday. Question how do I post a video or do I just post a link to a youtube of my video or add it as an attachment? Not sure what way is best or preferred. More pictures coming soon!
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So here is the link to the dyno of the prelude before the swap. It dynoed at 175whp. You can see the crazy amount of smoke that its creating. Reason what started my journey to do this upgrade and swap. I tried to figure out how to post the video in the forums but the embedded code from youtube didn't work


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Here are some pictures of the engine work done by the shop. You can see in the last picture of much the pistons stick out. Reason for the thicker head gasket.















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All looks good man, subscribing for progress.
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Re: :::liveness2006::: 1998 Base

Little update on whats going on...

I guess I was missing the tensioner bolt and bracket for the supercharger belt... but the tuner said he would modify it to work. I also was missing the IACV mounting plate but found a aftermarket one and ordered it from rosko racing. Also decided to not use my AEM intake which from I saw online its 2" and 3/4 and went with my Injen intake which was 3" in diameter. Not a crazy difference but I already got the bigger throttle body and port matched it to the S tube on the supercharger so though might as well. Sad note that it cost me $45 to ship it :(


I seriously can't wait to drive my car again. Before I drove it down to get built I found a taco bell receipt in my seat... it was a year ago that I last drove it to get a snack from taco bell. I am going crazy

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Simple fixes, you'll be on the road I. No time
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