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Re: :::SirSSpec::: 1999 base to S-Spec

one clean ass lude, look foward to seeing more.
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Re: :::SirSSpec::: 1999 base to S-Spec

Alright, I've been slacking a bit lately. Work and other things have been taking up my time and energy, plus I have been working to set the 4th gen right for the winter.


I set to work on some suspension parts and some of the brackets. They were really rusty and I wanted to try out a new method of rust removal. I have tried scraping, wire wheels, sanding, blasting, and rust nuking chemicals. Most are a pain in the ass. The last thing I tried is the cheapest and the easiest method, and it actually works!

Plain white vinegar. Yes, what you shake over your fish and chips, what your great aunt fran used to make her home made pickles with, and if you're of European descent, what your dear old mum still uses to clean the house with. Four litres for like a buck.


1)Pour it into a container you won't be caring about.
2)Sumberge the parts in the vinegar.
3) Get on with your life for a week or so.

When you come back, this is what you will find:


Gross.

Use pliers or something to grab the parts out, unless you're feeling adventurous and want to stick your hand in that mess. It stains your skin, so wear gloves. It also stains anything else it comes in contact with, so don't wear anything you care about when working around this stuff.

Here's the cool part! Take the part you are working on, and brush it with a toothbrush, or even a wire brush if you like. I found an old toothbrush worked great. The rust will brush off. if there's any tricky bits, use the brush and a bit more vinegar to scrub it off. Then rinse with water.

This was after about a week of soaking in the vinegar:








I have on order some Ferrea 5000 series valves, and I picked up a EuroExport valve spring compressor. I'll post up my impressions of those when the valves come in, and I get around to putting them in.


One thing I can show you now are these pretty little things:

Special delivery, courtesy of JLude on preludepower.






I'm not going to lie, I was tempted to lick them, they're so sexy.
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Re: :::SirSSpec::: 1999 base to S-Spec

I have been putting in a little more time on the lude lately...mainly since I'm waiting for parts for the 96 to come in... I'll rant about that in my 96 resto/build thread.


I started cleaning up the alternator, and polishing it up. I can't go to all this trouble and not clean up the ancillaries. I'll probably end up taking it apart and doing a proper job on the casing, then inspecting the guts and freshening up anything that could be fresher.

This is what I have so far with a file, emery cloth, a dental pick and a worn out/used sanding disc, folded in half:







Why not buy a new one?

There's a couple reasons for this:

1) I haven't had great experiences with new/aftermarket parts. Lights for example: The original head light bulbs lasted from 1998-2010. I replaced them, and within a week both brand new bulbs had blown again. Over the years it seems they "refine" their manufacturing process and shave off some reliability here and there. If it works and can be saved, I'll keep it and use it.

2) Cost. Anyone who has done work like this knows how quickly the cost can add up. Saving a penny here and there halps a lot.

3) I am old school. I used to work at a classic car dealer, and had to work with parts that were difficult, if not impossible to get/replace.

Things are a little better these days, with the internet and forums and all, but when I worked there, you had to comb junk yards, or order new from places like Canter or Caidella if they stock the parts for your particular vehicle. If you had something older, or imported, you'd have to pay a fortune for new (if available), use what you have, or have it fabricated.

Even though parts for this car are easier to come by, they might not be in the future, and in anycase, elbow grease is a lot cheaper than buying brand new. I am starting to find that parts for the 92-96 Preludes are becoming harder and harder to find. Honda has discontinued a lot of parts for that chassis, and I'm sure the 97-01 are not far behind. Those contemplating this type of work may be forced to hone their fabrication/restoration skills.

I thrive on the challenge of real restoration work. Buying brand new is easy, it's quicker, but I have always admired the craftsmanship of a true restoration. The blood, sweat, and, tears. The thought, the hours of careful and meticulous labour. When you put a piece of yourself into a piece, or pieces of what you're building, the pay off is immeasurable.
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Looks like cancer in a plate that vinegar treatment lol
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Re: :::SirSSpec::: 1999 base to S-Spec

I'm still waiting for my valves to arrive, so in the meantime I have been working on the alternator here and there when I get a chance. I'm gradually getting the tool marks out of the surface so it can be polished up to a mirror shine.






I also embarked upon a bigger project. As you know (or should know) the Type-S head comes from the factory with a mild port and polish on it to smooth out the transition where the valve seats meet the bowls. They stopped where the valve guides protrude into the bowls. The rest of the ports/chambers are still rough cast and have large casting imperfections on them. Well...

Better than the standard h22 head...





I could improve upon that.

I started to do a full port and polish on the head by hand: (no dremels, no die grinders, no mechanical assistance what so ever).











It's taken two days to get it to this semi-finished state. There's still some rough spots. There's still 7 more to go.

Lots of work left to do.
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^ A question posed to me on another forum reminded me of a detail I left out in the above post. The mirror finish is only temporary. The surfaces of the ports upstream the bowls will be scuffed/roughed up before installation. The mirror polish is there simply to assist me in finding the high/lows, bumps, and imperfections in the surface. it looks good, but it won;t work with well with the mixing of air and fuel.
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Re: :::SirSSpec::: 1999 base to S-Spec

Ur car looks good! Very clean, props!
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:D Thank you!



I got a call from my friends over at Grounded Conceptz today, alerting me to the arrival of these!

Ferrea 5504/5506:






I've still been working away on the full on port and polish. I'm not sure which side I hate more? The tedium and nail biting stress of making the intake runners identical to one another, while making the surface smooth (but not too smooth), or the total PITA that it is to give the exhaust ports a mirror finish.


Gasket width (measured from a straight edge line marked on the gasket):


Port width:


Untouched port:



Gasket matched, with the final roughened surface applied:



Standard H22A Type-S factory port and polish. Note where the special treatment ends near the valve guide. It is fairly smooth, but it can be improved upon.


Polished bowl. This area was ported and polished from the factory, but had some imperfections. The valve seat was much better than a standard H22 head, but I smoothed the transition out further:



People have said that the level of crazy/insane has gone off the charts with this part of the job. This may be true. I never pictured myself hand porting and polishing a cylinder head when I first embarked upon this ride. Idle hands...


I would strongly urge anyone viewing this, NOT to try this unless you:

1) Know exactly what you are doing.

2) Have the means to see the job through to the end regardless of how long it takes. You cannot start, do a good job on one runner, then half ass the rest because you're sick of it. It is a ton of work to do. Pace yourself, and follow through.

3) Intend to use the proper measuring tools and methods for checking the volume of each runner. I am using calipers, telescoping gauges, and measuring the volume with water. You cannot eyeball this.

4) Are willing to gamble the value of a cylinder head. If you spent a grand on a head, don't do this. I got mine really cheap, and if this one goes south, I could very easily "Type-S" a standard H22A4 head.


Now that the valves have come in, I have to get back to work on the porting so I can get them installed, and put this head to bed.
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Re: :::SirSSpec::: 1999 base to S-Spec

This is a proper diy resto-mod.

Your wife ever get to see you besides vacations?

You have done a helluva lot of work since what, June? Of this year?
Bravo!!!
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^ Thank you!


Sorry I haven't updated this in a while...

When I found the sway bar on the '96 broke, I set out on a quest to find the elusive Progress sway bar to replace it. After chasing down dead leads for a couple of weeks, I found one on ebay!



The only problem is it doesn't come with any mounting hardware. =/


I think I will end up putting this on the '99, and going with a ST swaybar on the '96, since they are still plentiful.


Work has been ridiculous lately, so not much work has been done on the car.


Stay tuned.
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Nice!

Any leads on mounting hardware.
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=/ None as of yet. From what I understand from installation threads it requires a set of brackets which are specific to the bar (I guess the stock ones are too flimsy). I'll also have to buy, or make up a set of end links for it.

The search continues...
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I work at a machine shop so if you have detailed prints of what you need I can make it happen.
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Re: :::SirSSpec::: 1999 base to S-Spec

I cant find those progress rear bars anywhere , when I get another lude that will definitely be on the "Want" list

EDIT: Love this thread, been hoping for some updates lol
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@Underground: Don't waste your time. They discontinued them a long time ago, and they are out of stock everywhere. Also, after contacting Progress today, and being told to go **** myself by their customer service department, I wouldn't recommend anyone giving money to them.

I'll have to look into having these brackets fabricated. I'll have to find some good pictures of them to go on. If anyone has this bar installed on a 5th gen take some pics of the brackets for me!
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I picked up a fairly complete, but running) H22A4 from a local part out. It was a great deal for $240. I got all the brackets and mounts with it for that price. I bought it mainly to play around with, and to harvest for parts.



One part I already took off was the intake manifold, because I have some plans for that. I am planning to remove the pressed in EGR port plugs, and tap the holes to accept a plug like this one:



I am also going to polish the runners, not by hand unfortunately...I don't have fingers like E.T. Its a shame because there is very little roughness to the inside of the runners, unlike the intake and exhaust ports of the head. It would be a snap to do with a bit of emory cloth.

Shiny stuff!






The weather is getting warmer and I'm spending more time in the garage. Good things to come...
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You could.....put it in the 4G!!
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You could.....put it in the 4G!!
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Re: :::SirSSpec::: 1999 base to S-Spec

I'm going to put an h23 VTEC in the 96, paired with the M2B4 LSD transmission.

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Very nice snag for under 300!?!?!? Sweet
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Re: :::SirSSpec::: 1999 base to S-Spec

It's been quiet in here for the past little while. I got caught up with work, and then went back to school for a bit. Money and time were short, so this project was put on hiatus for a bit.

I picked up a '96 Lude as a beater, but, that turned into a bit of a project as well. It siphoned a lot of money and time away from this car. I ended up getting rid of the '96 in March. Three hours later I became the proud new owner of one of my all time favourite cars, a '90 300ZX. The Z is a great car, but being nearly 26 years old, it has its share of issues that need to be resolved.

With winter descending upon us, the Z is off the road, I am afforded more time to save for parts, and tinker with it... AND the '99. No more rushing to get it back on the road.

I spent a weekend clearing out the the garage. I had a blowout sale on hoarded parts (none of which sold), so I spent $500 and had them, and a truck load of junk taken to the dump. 4th and 5th gen interior(s), suspension(s), exhausts, you name it, and it's landfill. Don't worry, I kept the rare 4th gen stuff (which is now for sale)!

I now have a nice clean garage, which I can restart the '99 rebuild, store and work on the Z, and, hang out in general.

The Lude was originally in the middle of the garage, which make it a bit of an obstacle, so I picked up four Auto Dollies (by Merrick), and moved the lude sideways, right up against the wall (literally 2 inches from the garage wall), which opened up a huge spot for the Z, with room to walk between the cars, and up the passenger side of the Z. I can pull the lude out from the wall when I need access to the drivers side.

Even after all these years, several inches of dust, and, missing most of her front end, the lude still looks beautiful to me. There is just something about the shape of that car that gets me.



My babies, together at last:



To a new beginning, and renewed love affairs!
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Re: :::SirSSpec::: 1999 base to S-Spec

Hello stranger.


Surprised to see neither car has been covered.

Don't know if you have Advance Auto stores there, but their $60 tan cover in medium is a nice fitting 3 layer cover for dust control as well as protection from walk by flashlight hits car dings and setting beverages on the roof while hanging out.

^^ you may need to go with larger for the wider z car.
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The Z has a cover, but I was working on it.

The alternator went, so I ordered a new one. It took them a week to get it. I finally get time to install it today, yay! Struggle to get it out...

Digression time:

Removing the alternator from a 300 is a lot like... childbirth. You have the alternator which is way up inside the belly of the beast. Between it and the outside world is a mass of innards, and a hole that is far too small. Once you get the umbilicals (harnesses) unhooked, you have to root around to move the rad hose, power steering line, and AC line... finally you can see it "crowning". Where it differs from humans is, the hole is 2/3rds the size of the "baby", and the crossmember and stabilizer bar are not going to "dilate" any farther. So you have to twist, turn, swear, yank, and pray to god that it will pop out.

Well, that's what I did.

Back to the story...

I get the alternator out and set it next to the new one and find the stupid ****ing kid at the parts store gave me the wrong one.



Now I have to make another trip there and return it. Fortunately I don't have to rush to get the Z running again.
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Well, I see those ****s at photobucket moofed all of my pictures.


Lately, I have to admit, I have been longing for the lude. I still have it, but, I haven't touched it in ages. The other day, I went out the garage, and fired up the Z for the first time in a month. While it was warming up, I sat in the lude. Even though she is covered in dust, the interior, aside from being a storage unit for some fragile parts, is still as fresh as the day I put it away. I miss driving that car. I also miss the simplicity of it. The Z is a lot of fun, but it is a beast to work on. The Subaru is not bad, but the parts are a nightmare to find. I miss the simplicity of the Prelude, with the availability of parts.

I will be moving soon, and, it is winter, so there isn't much point in doing anything heavy with the car right now, but, I would definitely like to get back to working on it.

I think the next project, if the weather gets a little warmer, will be to install the JDM climate control. I have the complete set, with an uncut harness, so, why not?

While I was waiting for the Z to warm up, I got to picking at things in the Prelude. I remembered, I had an original in-dash phone for it, so I decided to see if it would fit. I started to remove the carbon fiber (look) radio bezel, and, I guess owing to the cold, it shattered like glass. I will need a new one of those I suppose. I have a spare one, but it is scratched, and, not good enough for my interior.

I like the phone, but I am not sure how I feel about the green lens on it.






Maybe I'll do a write up on the installation of the climate control.
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