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Interior:
96 center console
JDM coin pocket
96 EL Si ~kmph~ cluster
96 leather door/rear inserts
CL sunroof switch
OEM floor mats
96 tweeter covers

Exterior:
OEM front lip painted flat black
Accord rear lip
Depo one piece black housed HID projectors
smoked out altezzas
smoked rear running lights
OEM Front & Rear Mudflaps
5th gen glass sunroof
96 nostril/vents

Engine:
Fresh rebuild (april of 14)
H22a head
Crower Stage 2 NA camshafts
Crower Dual Valve Springs
Crower Titanium Retainers
Skunk 2 Adjustable Cam Gears
OEM Valve guides
OEM Valves
H22a block
OEM pistons/rods 10.6:1
NGK Plugs
NGK plug wires
egay intake tube & filter
egay 4-2-1 exhaust manifold
2 1/2 with high flow cat
Centerforce II Clutch

Suspension:
Tein street basic dampers
Voxx 17's
Falken 205 40's

ICE:
Alpine headunit with Alpine power pack (45rms x 4)
kenwood 6.5s doors/rear
kicker KS 6x9 in rear
kicker tweeters behind the covers
no BOOM BOOm for the time being


Future Mod's:

Front & Rear upper strut tower bars
ST front & rear sway bars
Ingall adjustable ball joints
5-lug conversion
JTC short throw
hytech tri-y
skunky intake manifold
skunky throttle body
Hondata s200 or 300
















It has came along way since I've gotten it, It was bone stock had mis-matched accord/prelude rims on it. It had random trim broken, climate control didnt work,etc etc... After many junkyard runs and some ebay finds its all complete and functioning now..aside of my cup holder lid that ~just broke~ :(

My main goal as was to just keep it simple on the outside, and collect the 'best of the best' for our model and shove it inside, and get as much as I can out of the H22a keeping it N/A Anywho, there is is..
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Re: ::: Jai_ ::: 1993 Prelude Si-Vtec

Looks good, aside from that front bumper haha. I do really like the way red forth gens look.
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Re: ::: Jai_ ::: 1993 Prelude Si-Vtec

Well fellow luders, it has been some time since I had been really active on here. That time has come again, as some goals have changed.

I had sold off some of my collection of parts due to various reasons. I was gonna get rid of her but is just something I couldn't let go. After deciding to keep it, I was cruising down the interstate, and #2 rod decided to snap and make an appearance coming through the block. So, needing a block I had made a few phone calls, located the h22 block and went to pick it up come to find out it wasn't a H22a1, or a H22a4. I got to the salvage yard and to my surprise it was a H22A that had been transplanted into an accord. Long story shortened, I ended up picking up the block/head/IM/harness for just around 300~.

Since I lack a garage, I now have this beast sittin on an engine stand in the kitchen(makes for one hell of a kitchen island) Currently I am in the process of stripping it down to try to figure out why it was in the salvage yard in the first place, the accord was slightly beat up but not 'junk worthy' in my eyes, the guy at the counter said it was driven in, and gave me a guarantee on the block not being cracked, and that was good enough for me since I have a few spare heads/block internals(who doesn't want a spare head laying around) I'm pretty much gonna rebuild this bottom end then slap the other head(has Crower Stg 2 Na cams, crowers valvetrain etc etc) I had not yet ordered any parts yet, but new rod bearings, rings, new gaskets all around will be definite. I am kinda want to rebuy the Mahle gold pistons I let go and make the original idea come to life, but not sure as funds kinda limited currently, and I'm not to sure what all it is that I'm gonna be needing/replacing until I uncover more. Dropping girdle and all that goodness tomorrow, and the head will be coming off also. Head would be off now but ratchet spun a bit and not wanting to round it off to badly, so I got a bud bringing a striped nut remover set up in the morning(so I hope he makes it). The valve cover was missing when I had picked it up, some water was inside the pan but not to scary considering it still had alot of oil in it and seems like its in good shape from what I can see thus far. Though some signs of rust were on the cams, and gears on the oil pump. The oil pan had no shavings of any sort in it wich was another good sign.

****RIP H22A1*****



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But guys, current goals gonna be stock bottom end with head goodies sounds good enough. As for now its on the stand and getting stripped slowly. As much as it sucks throwing a rod, is quite enjoyable bringing life back to such a sexy car :D
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Engine in the kitchen!? No problem hahaha
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Re: ::: Jai_ ::: 1993 Prelude Si-Vtec

Even has the manual tensioner! Nice lol. Do u still need some 440cc injectors? I can give u a decent price if ur interested.
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hahaha, no garage- no problem! gotta do what ya gotta do to get things done

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Even has the manual tensioner! Nice lol. Do u still need some 440cc injectors? I can give u a decent price if ur interested.
Yes! I was quite shocked to find that out myself too when I had pulled the covers off. As for the injectors, I'm gonna hold off for the time being until I find out what kinda mess I'm getting into when I pull the head in the morning. But I will def keep you in mind if I have some spare cash to drop on them
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Well, still waiting to get my hands on an extractor socket to get one off of the block, and waiting for things to get shipped. I found it time to bring out the other head, and get it ready. From the cams up everything still needs to be torqued down and few bits of intake manifold gasket must still come off, but as for now this is whats awaiting for the block.







This was pulled off the head of the H22A that is on the stand, I cleaned it up a bit, then threw the throttle body back on, I plan on just using the one off of my H22A1 that is in the lude already, has extended spring for those RHD peoples. I may just use the entire intake off of the A1, haddn't decided yet.



A few had suggested to remove the butterflies within the IM gains a small amount of HP for loss of torque so i'm told, but I would rather just use a spacer, if not just leave it alone the way it currently is.

more to come as things HAPPEN!~!
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So, my buddy came by with his extractor set, but his didnt have the end where you could attach an extension on it or anything, just had a circle for the punch out. The extractor itself fit snugly on the bolt, but was impossible to set a socket down on it, it just wouldn't fit in the well for the head bolt, so in the morning running out to sears to pick up ones with the extension plug in them and not just the socket head on the outside of it. Really hoping this works gettin very irritated that just -one- bolt is holding me back from actually starting this rebuild..even tho i have to wait for rebuild kit to arrive, along with other things that need done...it just sucks

This wed or thurs buddy of mine is coming to help prepare the lude for yanking the old engine out. I'm gonna try to clean up in the bay a bit while I'm at it- May also do CC & AC delete(current compressor is locked up and currently disconnected) while I've got everything out.
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Sucks that its only 1 bolt holding u back... haha
And ya just lmk if u end up wanting the injectors
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So, went and picked up another set of extractors, got the right ones with the 1/2 drive on the end, and now this one I cant even put in the well for the bolt.. if I had access to one, I would just grind off the socket sides on the end making it a normal socket.. think that is about the only hope left..



Still have got a few days til parts arrive but holy is this irritating
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... it did double post for some reason..
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I don't know how many times I was held up on account of something stupid. The most prominent in my memory was waiting for an o-ring the size of a pencil eraser. Kinda seemed like one thing after another at one point. BUT it gave me time to go over everything else to make sure I had everything in order, so I guess it wasn't all bad.
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I ended up locating a grinder, and took some of the point off of the socket end on the extractor (A socket still fits snug on it).



That being done it fit down, and gave it a few taps to set down on the head and then bam- head bolt freeeEEE! Got the head off. I wiped everything down to check it all out. The cylinder walls are damn near perfect no marks, groves, odd ring wear whatso ever. I had expected atleast to uncover a blown headgasket, but that also was in good shape. Now that I had gotten that off finally I had then turned my attention to removing the main bearing bridge, had gotten all bolts out, but its kinda bein held on by the dowel pins for the time being. I called it a night on it, and will break out a rubber mallet and a 2x4 if needed to get it off in the morning. As for now, I'm just happy the head is off =)



So hoping the bridge comes off in the morning...
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Got the bridge cap off, and now all the pistons are pulled. Kinda shocked at the shape of the walls, they look rather well. Didnt have any scoring on any bearings from what I've seen, and crank looks good to go.






They decided to come out as I had rotated the engine to pull the pistons out



#4 #3



#2 #1






Awaiting oil and water pumps, along with rings and rod bearings but til then its clean up time
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I love clean up time. It's my favorite time.
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Indeed it is! Hoping the weather gets and stays nice out side, we got a bit of snow last night. They claim tonight an 'icy mix' is coming so hard to tell when next day will be nice out to pull the A1 out of the lude and get her ready for the swap. So until then just try to get block as good as it can while waiting for clearer weather..
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Slowly making progress on gettin the A1 old out. As for now I have the head/intake manifold off. I figure will be easier to pull out the block/trans like that as I'd prob be doing it myself. At this point almost everything is unplugged and disconnected on the block-trans minus axles and clutch cable. Just not sure where I'm gonna take it apart or I may just wait til I'm ready and just use the bed of the truck- best work bench ever.



Car dolly decided to attempt to rip the front bumper off- gonna see about getting that straightened out after I pull the AC junk out from behind it. Theres so much crap tucked away behind our engines, bigish bay with big engine doesnt leave much room. Least when I'm done I can clean it up or and maybe tuck things out of view..Ac is def going, is why we have windows and sunroofs, debating cc delete and relocating the red-top in the trunk to balance it out some.





Kinda easy to guess what rod snapped...

Then upon looking down the belt cover I had discovered this...
I guess would be safe to assume this caused it?? Thou woulda expected a spun ring or something else, not the rod snapping where it appears to be the wrist pin.

But There are people who just dont put a belt on their balance shaft pulleys and are just fine, some argue they must use the B.S delete setup .. i dunno..Any Input out therE???

I just know a broken belt doin whatever in there didnt help in my situation if thats the case haha



I'm not sure how but the timing belt was rough looking and wasnt damaged by it somehow.





The 'next' project sits beside the lude, but not quite sure where I'm gonna end u going with that. Will strip the interior and go from there....sometime..
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A buddy and I were planning to pull out the block/trans today, but weather didnt agree with our plans. Hoping that weather is nice in the morning and shall get it done then. As for now its just held in by the engine/trans mounts, and 2 coolant lines, also gonna remove battery box and alt and should be good to go.

Can't wait to clean it all up in the bay. With everything out can already see the mess that was hidden. Already starting to look better just by removing all the AC components.

My new rings -should- arrive also, then timing/balancer belts soon enough and can start to assemble this beast. Debating on reusing my oil pump off the A1 as I know it works.







^^ taken before intermediate shaft was removed before someone says I forgot it:D^^

vVv And somewhat shiny now vVv






^^^ off of the A1

So, I was hopin to post pics of an empty bay tonight, but if all goes well I can do that tomorrow night!
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Welp, thanks to a bud coming up and giving me a hand with guiding this beast out...hell he has lent me quite a handful of tools to assist me in this. My engine bay is now empty!!~! May be dirtier than all hell right now, but that will change here shortly. I sense some simple green/purple power + pressure washer in its future.



And say hello to MR ROD... so curious as to how that actually snapped. The way it moves when the engine is turned just boggles me how it is laying in there. Once I remove clutch/fly wheel and check out this oil pump, I'll then dig deeper into it and check it out. As for now, I started cleaning up the trans, it was covered in a several layers of gunk... not sure how it managed to go from semi clean to BAM gunk all over, but may have happened as I snapped that rod, who knows.





While we were taking the block/trans out my friend noticed an 'orange clutch cover' so after breaking it apart could see it was a Centerforce clutch/cover. Felt good while I was driving it last, so it will go back on.

I've finally gotten everything (rod bearings/rings/headgasket up kit) I needed to rebuild the h22a, I just need to pick up or rent a ring compressor. Waiting on it til I figure out this oil pump bit.. it has me slightly confused as obd1 oil pumps dont have any sensors/plugs running out of the oil pump housing and my A1 we just pulled has a wire/plug running out of it. So assuming it didnt pass any shavings it will more than likely get installed on the rebuilt one. Also, I had noticed that my alt brackets are different, one has a 3 bolt pattern mounting to the block, other has 4, but they both seem like they would hold the alt at the same place, just different mounting points to the block.. Oh, I also found out my front and rear motor mounts are shot, must replace =b

I had also picked up wrinkle red ages ago just never got around to doin my spare cover, and well its done now. I kinda wish I laid a base coat of black down. Still not to sure how I feel about it, I may redo it with the base coat down first. Still unsure how I wanna do the plug cover, mainly depends if I redo the vc itself.



SOooooo, I must clean up some more and start puttin some of the things together and just maybe I can have my Leeloo back as my daily :D

I know this isn't some 'major build' or anything to exciting. Maybe a rebuild with a cammed headswap? I dunno- but is nice to get the hands dirty and share with everyone
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So, took off clutch/fly wheel and decided to take off timing cover and come to find out I have an obd2 oil pump on here?? I thought obd1 h22a1 had those sensors inside the distributor.. Its a 95 h22a1 (going off the head stamp but didnt think obd2 h22a1 didnt arrive until mid 96) I'm runnin a p13 ecu wich is obd1 ecu, my harness doesn't appear to be hacked at all(yes it was plugged in), but this oil pump tells me different???


Seems crank pulley decided to wear into the timing cover also cps/tdc sensor that I didnt think should be on an obd1 oil pump...??



It has me, along with my friends slightly confused- I must admit. Searching here and google, I found that I can use the obd1 oil pump (w/o the sensors) but I would need a h23a1 distributor, just need to run the wires from the plug from old sensors over to the dizzy?? Or is there any other differences aside of the mounting points for the sensors on the oil pump housing, and I could just run an obd2 one and plug it back up and go with my same dizzy I have been, just to save some time/headache of doin some-what could be un-needed wiring??

OOOooooooooooOOOoooor it just happens to be an obd2 h22a block they put in and saw that a clip was empty and plugged it in? I know everything I have is all legit obd1, dizzy/ecu etc etc, did obd1 harnesses even come with the plug to hook up to the obd2 tdc/cps sensors???????????????
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So just to figure out what had happened, decided to unbolt oil pan on the A1 and this is what I managed to find in there...





yeeeeeah, think that may have been the problem..
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First off, heres another 'ouch' photo of the A1's crank..



Well had gotten a buncha things done in the past few days, had a few setbacks today but thinkin can get around that in the morning.

For those unaware of the difference between h22a pistons vs a1 here ya go.



One ROUGH a1 piston(10:1 c/r) that did whatever when it snapped at the bearing cap but notice the little 'bump' if you wish to call it that centered on the head of it.



H22A piston (10.6:1 c/r) slightly bigger 'mound' to bump u your comp ratio slightly.



Before dropping the h22a pistons back in with their new rings/bearings.



slightly closer..



timed and valve lash completed



was such a PITA to get that back outside, but bolted up with trans:D



transplanted!



glad decided to put the intake mani on after dropping the engine in but that was fun to get the underside bolts gogo swivles...



axles and everything done on the underside, starting to look like making progress... then this happened



welp that sucks, tried using a set of easy-outs on it along with using aerokroil, tho didnt really help at all. It hasn't budged at all, its just eating away at the brass. I have a few spare h22 heads, and y8 heads so i have plenty of replacement sensors. Just need to try and figure out another way to get this guy out..



Only things really needing done now... wich are easiest things..
(less i snap a something else off somehow..)

change valve covers
install dizzy/plugs/plug wires
fluids... oil engine-trans/antifreeze-maybe water for first start and drain to check it out
bleed clutch line
plug in alt
alt/ps belts


Hoping to fire up sometime in the evening tomorrow but hard to say all depends on how this sensor feels about coming out.
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well, start up not happening today thats for sure, easy outs had totally messed that guy up. Starting to think I'm gonna have to drill out the brass and hope i can re-tap the threads on the head enough for a new sensor to sit down in there, even if it isnt all the way in but enough for the threads to catch and hold it in place then jb weld it if needed.. i dunno
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success!!~!



Before entirely drilling it out, took a smaller bit to remove some of the threads left from the easy-out in the brass, and tapped in a hex wrench and 'unscrewed' the broken bit out. Took off the front goose neck and cleaned out all the little bits that was left from it. Got everything else all hooked up, threw in my red top and seems it was dead, had to charge it up some.

It is now alive!!!!!! Though it has some crazy idle going on for the time being from around 1,100 to 2,700. Unplugg the IACV it drops down and bounces a bit from 1,000-1,1000.. Had one oil leak, vtec solenoid, but was promptly fixed.. No other leaks were to be found. There are no knocks or taps or anything coming from the bottom end nor any 'odd' sounds comring from the head

I had ruled out the IACV, fast idle valve etc etc, as everything on the intake manifold is off my A1 and it idled just fine. And you can hear a hiss coming from the intake manifold (its rather loud, thought it was PS belt so took it off for time being) I hit the runners with a bit of carb cleaner and low and behold I am sure it is my intake manifold gasket itself, could hear it try to adjust itself. I put it on after dropping the engine in and assuming I didnt get enough torque or some are over torqued and its not sitting flush against the head. I did all the top ones 'snugly' and then the ones on the bottom the best I was able to. So this time I'm gonna do it was its recommended.. should've done it the first time around but going from over the car, to under every other nut seemed like a PITA.. but even more of a PITA to redo it a second time..such a pain to do from underneath but it isn't to bad with some extensions and a swivel.



Oh, as minor as it is, other valve cover is gonna get a make over.. assuming this one turned out the way it does cause I didnt lay a darker base coat of some sort?? It def doesnt look red =b It almost matches ABS plugs to a degree haha

So aside of having to reset my Intake mani gasket along with the PS belt. Only thing left is to bleed the clutch, had a bud come over and give a hand yest but the pedal kept going to the floor even with it bleed entirely, but I didnt push the little push-rod-piston guy back into the slave cylinder, hoping that is what I didnt do correctly and all should be golden from here out.
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Duuuuuuuuuude that rod came out GNARLY. Looks awesome finally sitting in there, even if you can see that VC from Bangkok. Hehe
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Alright, this has me baffled, and its kickin my ass it seems.. I'm not quite sure what the hell this noise is. I took this vid yest morning. I removed intake manifold, and replaced all the rubber fittings on my injectors all the way around. I had re-checked the head(for remnants of old gasket) to make sure the intake manifold gasket had a nice seal. Torqued all the nuts to proper spec (top/bottom) that i was able to get my torque wrench on, others I judged via correct torque. I did however notice that the valve on my IAB box was broken. I was hoping that was the cause of the 'whine' or whatever you wanna call it, but alas- it is not. I just ran the actuator line straight to the I/M just to check that valve making noise off the list. Doing everything I've said above helped with my idle a bit, but really at this point I don't care about that... mainly wanting to find and get rid of this noise, its unbearable- as if I have a JRSC on my car and I obv do not...

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if ANYBODY even has a clue, idea or something please let me know. I know people seem to check this often but hardly ever speak up. but please please gimme some insight.

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Prelude whining noise, fresh semi built/cammed h22a - YouTube
^^^was from yest ^^^

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vVv from today vVv (iab butterfly actuator ran to back of IM)

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Welp, still not to sure what that noise is, it has gotten quieter and is hardly noticeable.
(changed all rubber grommets on injectors, reseated IM gasket)

Monday evening I had went out and put like 40 km on it nothing major, just to take her out and see how it reacted to everything. I only briefly hit vtec twice and it was just to see if my valves were gonna get a rude introduction to my pistons, or smoke and it did neither:D Runs great aside of my butterflies bein stuck closed for the time being. Where I used to feel them open up and give me that extra little bit, it lacks in that RPM range currently. I have another purge valve off of one of my d16 intake manifolds, I'm gonna try to adapt it so i can just run a hose from where old broken purge valve is to that, and see if that will fix the problem.

All in all, I've missed driving my prelude. Been driving around a f-150 and damnit- I missed this car.
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