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holy crap that's a lot of metal.
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Definitely looks like a self shaving crank.

At that rate you'll be down a few #'s in no time.

Do newly rebuild motors usually molt that much metal at first?
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Arent those metal shaving
thats suppose to be bad isnt it.lol
try to do rebuild wheres no metal dust anywhere afterwards...

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Im not worry because thats kind of dust not big chunks and thats from the first 500 miles (800km) AND actually that was second oil change, now there is third set of fresh oil in. sorry

so the previous dyno was 228 hp / 222 nm in +10C temperature +90% humidity

NOW 225 hp / 218 nm in +28C temperature +85% humidity

some time ago (for comparison) in same dyno

224 hp in +10C temperature
205 hp in +28C temperature
(same setups exept second pull had RDX injectors)

so we got about same power now than before on a much colder day and with much milder cam gear settings.
AND as you can see from previous pulls temperature has big role in these things: +/- 18C/64.4F effects a lot

still have to do some minor tune for low rpm behavior and adjust idle... so some finetuning still to do. but it feels great when you press the gas
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Re: :::Type T::: 1997 2.2 VTI

better later than never?


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ill be honest with ya, that whole Type t thing was really hard to keep track of, so we had to come up with a system.

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Re: :::Type T::: 1997 2.2 VTI

have been "little bit" tired about car stuff...

ignition switch was acting some time ago, thats replaced now (was kinda interesting to drive when car shuts off all the time)

+ I knew that for proper tune I need new parts...parts which cost a lot:
S300 with Innovate $869 (636) + taxes $246 (180)

now next step is to get GOOD tune (but I dont know that do I have enough time for such thing - going travelling on July...depends if I get dyno time or not before that)
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Well get going! I took apart a whole car and put it all back together since the last time you were here!
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Oh and I ended up selling that Blox TB because Skunk2 seemed more reasonable (with its idle adjust screw)




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we're going to install that innovate next wednesday..any 5th gen owner have suggestions where to place that gauge?
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check this site out.. they mod OEM parts and add gauge pods to them..Ortiz Custom Pods - Ortiz Customs Home
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Re: :::Type T::: 1997 2.2 VTI

heh...cool, but I think that I dont get any more gauges there - personally I just hate those things but I had to get one because it eases "little bit" tuning and thats decent place for it.. IMO.

AND about s300 tuning - the plan is to drive my car to the tuner before we're leaving to Croatia so then he has one month to work it with no rush
and when we get back home...hopefully...it runs
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Its been 2 years now and things have happened in mean while.
Previous version of my engine... well cut it short it "blew". Something went wrong in block and some bearings got damaged. We tried to find a reason why - but it was hard to say - probably the machine shop who did the block work did some shortcuts or mechanic who assembled the rest. Or maybe the tuner did some wrong (do they ever admit that?)... who knows.

No need to say that I was pretty pissed off?

And THEN when I took the ****ty block back to the machine shop - it was gone to bankrupt. F* great. And soon after that the same thing happened to the mechanic shop who did the engine assembling.

Just my luck.
F* idiots.

Oh well what can you do? ....at this point I was really UNinterested about this car and there was some selling ad also, but not much for a market for "easy project for handyman"-car. So I cursed my Lude to be ashamed and didnt give her attention for a while.

Took some time to get over that. I have put a lot of money into that car (always hard to admit) and its in fairly good condition so cannot really junkyard it, right?

So little by little, piece by piece I started to buy parts for new engine. New seals and stuff like that. The main problem was that the old block was kinda useless, unless Id sleeve it. That bearing catastrophe did some scratches to the cylinder walls and pistons and so on so probably another block could be cheaper choice.

Of course the metal sh* was everywhere so there was scraping on cams etc so had to do something about that too.

To be honest those Skunk2 cams didnt work for me, I got fed up to the problems which came with them and I decided that I would be more happy without them (that time I didnt had Hondata so there was no proper tune for them so could be another story with those cams if there would have been good tuner+hondata?). Rockers had some damage as well (dont know do the Skunk cams wear them more or was it just that metal sh* flying around?). So I was looking for some used parts there as well.

I thought that F the aftermarket parts and go OEM. JDM cams could be decent maybe (I was relatively happy with OEM EDM cams and JDM's are upgrade compared to them). From England (ebay) I found JDM H22A head with low mileage/km's and I ordered it. When it arrived it was in ok condition. Huh!

The block part:
I found other H22A block with Type S pistons from our finnish honda forum with only 1000km on it when one forum member started to part out his H22A Accord that he could get money for his project Civic.



We were lazy so I traded my CC flywheel to his JUN (which is slight lighter than CC)



Head went to machine shop (once again), changed rockers, JDM cams and new valve seals, new LMA's,



So next thing was to put it together once again... obviously I had to find a new mechanic shop for that but at the end:



Previously I was reading about one guy who had builded some K-serie engines very succesfully and tuned them so I contacted him that could he do some magic with S300 as well and yesterday we met:



I was little bit surprised that nothing bad happened and the engine stayed intact (this time). Maybe new mechanic shop and new tuner did ok work perhaps? *knocks the wood*



Blue is from the wheels, red is the engine.

Max HP has stayed about the same whole project time (after first head work and Skunk2 IM), but now after proper tune those Type S pistons (compression bump) gave nice torque gain.

Next step is to do some maintenance that I can get Lude through yearly inspection.

No more engine modding for me (could it really be finally over?!). Its been stressful to be quite honest for you. Hope this.....version 3(?) engine works and stays intact. This time Im NOT gonna put prices there, you can imagine how much this kind of engine breaking-thing costs.. but now its done. Hope it runs ok.

I have been thinking idea about K24 Accord - 4 doors are much more handy than coupe car but then again Lude has put some serious fight on lately so if it has grown up by now little bit and settle down, maybe it could stay? We'll see.
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I dunno what the numbers on the dyno sheet mean but the powerband looks relatively smooth and healthy, nice job keeping it going man. I haven't blown my motor up yet but I'm sure losing my red Prelude was similarly devastating as what you went through.
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^ thanks man :)

RED is from crank (engine hp)

228 HP @ 6900 rpm
244 NM (Newton Meters) = 180 LB FT/tq @ 5300 rpm

BLUE is from the wheels

186.8 WHP @ 6900 rpm
200 WNM (Newton Meters) = 147.5 WLB FT/wtq @ 5300 rpm


have to remember that those are from stock cams

gains over stock
194 hp +15%
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Re: :::Type T::: 1997 2.2 VTI

Finally got some street tuning done.

But noticed some oil leak coming from...somewhere - first guess would be that front crank seal tired waiting for me to get my lude rolling again.

So some fixing coming. Again.

But it was fun to drive my own car - its been like 3 years since I did that!



Also something weird is going on with car lambda and hondata - closed loop didnt work as it should or then our settings were wrong - gotta study that more when that oil thing is under control.
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I decided to do follow update:

My previous front speakers were quite small (around 5,2") + pretty old and I found out that you can put 6,5" ones there so from Black Friday sale I saw very nice offer about Pioneer speakers (whole set 100e):



For front:

TS-G173CI 6,5" Separate 2-way Speakers

Tweeter size: 30 mm
Size: 17 cm
Weight: 0,68 kg
Impedance 4 Ω
Frequency: 30 - 28 000 Hz
Mounting Depth: 46 mm
Sensitivity: 91 dB
Crossover Frequency: 4600 Hz
Lowest resonance frequency: 76 Hz
Maximum power input: 280 W
Nominal input power: 45 W


With 6,5" there have to be done some custom fitting but at the end they were there.

Those Pioneers diameter were little bit too big so we had to cut fitting mounting little bit (their diameter were 17cm and Prelude door speaker hole was the same) and then of course we had to remove the bottom of that door speaker basket.



Tweeters we installed to stock spot.




For rear:

TS-G6932I 6x9" 2-way Coaxial Speakers

Tweeter size: 13 mm
Size: 16,3 x 23,7 cm
Weight: 0,85 kg
Impedance: 4 Ω
Frequency: 27 40 000 Hz
Mounting Depth: 68 mm
Sensitivity: 90 dB
Lowest resonance frequency: 70 Hz
Maximum power input: 300 W
Nominal input power: 40 W


Rear was much easier - old ones out (haha, they were truly 20 yo OEM ones ) and new ones in.



The change looks more dramatic
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