Audio Advise For A 5th Gen

oldman · #1 (**permalink**) 08-15-2011, 01:22 AM

I'm going to get my first system and was wondering a few things. I was offered 2 12" P1 Fosgates with box, fosgate 1000w amp, and all wires for $300. Do you think that price is reasonable? Will 2 12's even fit in the trunk space of a 5th gen lude? Does anyone have experience with this system? I want something that will slap but not lose music quality. I know some people that have so much bass, they can't hear the music.

It_Hertz · #2 (**permalink**) 08-15-2011, 01:50 AM

The P1 series are not a great choice for quality reproduction. They will make bass and with the right amp they will hit pretty hard, but they are entry level subs.

My recommendations would be a single 10 or 12 with a good solid amp. Sound Quality type subs you can look into Hertz, Arc Audio, Focal even JL Audio. They all have good better entry and mid level subs. and when you look at amps to power these subs. look for a Class A/B amp and you want to know the RMS power rating. A lot of people will puch you toward Digital (Class D) and these amps will work but the A/B will give you a more Musical and accurate Sound Q reporduction.

Amps I would recommend...
Arc Audio KS series, Phoenix Gold R Series or TI, Focal, JL Audio (not HD), Audison SR, even the Rockford Prime Series are good amps these days.

LUDEZILLA · #3 (**permalink**) 08-15-2011, 02:05 AM

@It Hertz what you got against RF? they've got some pretty good stuff imo, although i dont think id go with a p1

blaclabel1911 · #4 (**permalink**) 08-15-2011, 10:27 AM

Fosgate's power series is some of the best the best stuff out there. You can throw anything at the power series amps and they keep on going. T1 And T2 are some of the most respected subs on the market. They are a consistent company that continues to provide a sub at every level from cheap to competition and they all sound good. My .02

LilMsPrelude · #5 (**permalink**) 08-15-2011, 10:39 AM

Sounds like you are getting a decent deal for your first "system."
Keep in mind -Sound is very subjective and what one person thinks sound nice and clear sounds like garbage to the next.
*What kind of music do you listen to?
*Is it a ported box or a Sealed box?
*that 1000 Watts is peak power, expect a more consistent voltage between 300-500, which is still VERY Reasonable for a bass system. You do NOT want to use an amp and subs to their maximum potential all the time.
*What Head unit are you using? (OEM or aftermarket? - Brand? Model#?)

Pictures would help if you can post a few.

Have you listened to any other systems in a friends car or gone to a car audio shop and listened to any vehicles there? "MOST" people are prideful and willing to share their installations/sound acheivements with others. If you find one you like the sound of then ask to know more about it.

It_Hertz · #6 (**permalink**) 08-15-2011, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LUDEZILLA

@It Hertz what you got against RF? they've got some pretty good stuff imo, although i dont think id go with a p1

I never said I had anything against Rockford Fosgate. I actually mentioned their amps in my post. The OP asked about info reguarding the system he was looking at and wanting to have subs but maintain some amount of sound quality. For that the RF subs are not the best option. (espically the P1)

Quote:

Originally Posted by blaclabel1911

Fosgate's power series is some of the best the best stuff out there. You can throw anything at the power series amps and they keep on going. T1 And T2 are some of the most respected subs on the market. They are a consistent company that continues to provide a sub at every level from cheap to competition and they all sound good. My .02

Yes the power series amps in the past were very good amps, then there was a bit of time where they had some issues, but in the last 2 years they have worked to bring them bck to the level Rockford Fans know and love. The T series subs are well respected for HIGH SPL not sound quality, but they are some good subs. Again the OP was not asking for huge SPL. My comments and recommendations were for a setup that would give him more of an SQ based sub set up.

As LilMs stated the price is good for the gear offered.

WhiteSamurai · #7 (**permalink**) 08-15-2011, 03:19 PM

theres honestly not much space for subs in the trunk. if you look at my picture of my sound system you tell i barely fit one 13" sub. and its a ****ing pain to take it out and put it back in cause it barely fits.

oldman · #8 (**permalink**) 08-16-2011, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LilMsPrelude

Sounds like you are getting a decent deal for your first "system."
Keep in mind -Sound is very subjective and what one person thinks sound nice and clear sounds like garbage to the next.
*What kind of music do you listen to?
*Is it a ported box or a Sealed box?
*that 1000 Watts is peak power, expect a more consistent voltage between 300-500, which is still VERY Reasonable for a bass system. You do NOT want to use an amp and subs to their maximum potential all the time.
*What Head unit are you using? (OEM or aftermarket? - Brand? Model#?)

Pictures would help if you can post a few.

Have you listened to any other systems in a friends car or gone to a car audio shop and listened to any vehicles there? "MOST" people are prideful and willing to share their installations/sound acheivements with others. If you find one you like the sound of then ask to know more about it.

I listen to really random music lol. From Rap/Hiphop to Screamo And Country LOL. Its a sealed box and I have an aftermarket alpine unit. Forgot which model but I'll check later.

LudeDude1998 · #9 (**permalink**) 08-17-2011, 06:39 PM

Get two 15" XXX subs! They are awesome! ;)

LilMsPrelude · #10 (**permalink**) 08-17-2011, 08:47 PM

no, don't.

XXX Subs are flea market garbage. I do belileve we have already been down this path.

now, if you are speaking about the Soundstream XXX subs, you are talking about a sub that is designed around maximum excursion for maximum boom. They are NOT a speaker designed around the versatility and dare I say the quality of sound your OP asked for. Not to mention you have to run them in a vented box which, imo, is VERY difficult to achieve the accuracy and control you get in a sealed box.

It_Hertz · #11 (**permalink**) 08-18-2011, 10:44 AM

^^^^^^What she said!!^^^^^^

shatterbox · #12 (**permalink**) 09-14-2011, 02:01 PM

For a first system, thats a great buy. However, if you are going for quality which at this point, your definition of quality compared to it_hertz or Lilmsprelude's is going to be quite different.

With that set up, and your speakers just running off the headunit, you are going to be missing out on alot of music. People say the biggest difference you can change to your system is to add a subwoofer. Which is true, it is the most noticable difference. But running an amplifier to a good set of speakers makes the BEST difference.

Ask yourself how important good sounding music is to you in your vehicle, and how much you are willing to spend.

Then start looking at speakers. Go to a good car audio shop, not best buy or crap like that. Listen to speakers, find ones that sound good to you. As was said, sound is subjective. The speakers that I like may not be the speakers that you like. Then get an amplifier to match them. Class A/B is preferrable, however they tend to be expensive. Pioneer has a line of amps with ICE Technology, they are a Class D, however if the technology is good enough for their highest end ELITE home amplifiers; it must be good enough for the average ear :)

Every person is going to recommend different products, or brands that sound good to them. But its up to you to get something that sounds good to you.

Oh and btw. This was 2 twelves sealed in my 4th gen which has a smaller trunk

LilMsPrelude · #13 (**permalink**) 09-14-2011, 03:56 PM

I would give Shatter some more Rep Points for his spot on, amazingly accurate, and insightful post...... but I've already repped him recently.

It_Hertz · #14 (**permalink**) 09-15-2011, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LilMsPrelude

I would give Shatter some more Rep Points for his spot on, amazingly accurate, and insightful post...... but I've already repped him recently.

Got that handled for you!

Cheezy · #15 (**permalink**) 09-21-2011, 02:50 PM

i couldnt fit 2 12s in my 5th gen. but it was a pretty big box. then i got a single 12 in there. 1200watt xplod with a 1000 watt kenwood amp and pioneer deck.. she does everything i need her to do!

shatterbox · #16 (**permalink**) 09-21-2011, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheezy

i couldnt fit 2 12s in my 5th gen. but it was a pretty big box. then i got a single 12 in there. 1200watt xplod with a 1000 watt kenwood amp and pioneer deck.. she does everything i need her to do!

And you were doing so good...

LilMsPrelude · #17 (**permalink**) 09-21-2011, 03:45 PM

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*waits for that kenwood amp to blow up the supposed 1200 esssssplode Sub. *giggles*

shatterbox · #18 (**permalink**) 09-21-2011, 04:06 PM

Doubt that kenwoods running 1000 watts. Closest I could see is it being 1000 at 1ohm, probably 300 at 4ohms and the esplodey sub is 4 ohms.

LilMsPrelude · #19 (**permalink**) 09-21-2011, 04:53 PM

hehe..indeed... but it is an essplode afterall.... a 200W burst at 40HZ could dispose of it quickly.

I had been given an MA Audio 12" that was supposed to be good up to 800W. They were boldly compared to a Sony Essplode. I laughed... then had to prove why I laughed; so I applied 150W of clean power to it with a 60HZ test tone.... once the magic smoke dissipated I took it back out of the sealed box it was in and made a wall ornament out of it.

But, back on topic, the new Sony equipment is designed with the uneducated Walmart shopper in mind. They exaggerate the "capabilities" of the equipment with skewed claims and questionable techniques. Due to the fact the participant above is using a overstated Kenwood amp, it is the only thing saving the Essplode from its predilected demise.
Not to mention the materials used are sub par (pun intended). the sony products from the 80's and early 90's were competitive, imo, with some of the better known names in car audio at that time. They were high powered, had great transports, both cassette tape and CD and could be found only in an Audio shop... but sadly like any other greedy corporate SH**hole of a company they are more focused on number of units sold vs the quality; riding on their once "good" name to keep their wares out there. Now they have joned the ranks of Sparkomatic, Pyramid, Rockwood, Pyle, etc. --sad really.

anyways.. we all know how much I like today's Sony products.

SoFlaKidd · #20 (**permalink**) 09-21-2011, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shatterbox

For a first system, thats a great buy. However, if you are going for quality which at this point, your definition of quality compared to it_hertz or Lilmsprelude's is going to be quite different.

With that set up, and your speakers just running off the headunit, you are going to be missing out on alot of music. People say the biggest difference you can change to your system is to add a subwoofer. Which is true, it is the most noticable difference. But running an amplifier to a good set of speakers makes the BEST difference.

Ask yourself how important good sounding music is to you in your vehicle, and how much you are willing to spend.

Then start looking at speakers. Go to a good car audio shop, not best buy or crap like that. Listen to speakers, find ones that sound good to you. As was said, sound is subjective. The speakers that I like may not be the speakers that you like. Then get an amplifier to match them. Class A/B is preferrable, however they tend to be expensive. Pioneer has a line of amps with ICE Technology, they are a Class D, however if the technology is good enough for their highest end ELITE home amplifiers; it must be good enough for the average ear :)

Every person is going to recommend different products, or brands that sound good to them. But its up to you to get something that sounds good to you.

Oh and btw. This was 2 twelves sealed in my 4th gen which has a smaller trunk

VERY JEALOUS.

w3

i used to have P3s as my old setup.. they never let me down and i love my music loud and basey, im sure theres better subs out there but my old p3 was able to handle everything i brought to it

shatterbox · #21 (**permalink**) 09-21-2011, 06:43 PM

Wanna buy em? No box anymore though. Running w6 in my gti now. :)

SoFlaKidd · #22 (**permalink**) 09-21-2011, 08:08 PM

possibly, how much for 1

wing8806 · #23 (**permalink**) 09-22-2011, 02:09 AM

You don't have to per say "fit" them into your trunk. This is just another option the previous owner did in my 'lude to save trunk space.... and i can't seem to get rid of it lol

It_Hertz · #24 (**permalink**) 09-22-2011, 09:35 PM

I love Sony Xplod.... they work great in large enclosures such as trash cans or dumpsters!

The Xplod line will be gone completely in 2012. They have already begun phasing it out in the head units and the quality has gone way up. Time will tell how they do with everything else. We have quite a few of their new mechless units and they perform very well! They have a new Mechless unit (DSX-S310BTX) that will stream Pandora from any smart phone format iPhone, Android or Crackberry. They are currently the only ones with this capability.

shatterbox · #25 (**permalink**) 09-23-2011, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by It_Hertz

I love Sony Xplod.... they work great in large enclosures such as trash cans or dumpsters!

The Xplod line will be gone completely in 2012. They have already begun phasing it out in the head units and the quality has gone way up. Time will tell how they do with everything else. We have quite a few of their new mechless units and they perform very well! They have a new Mechless unit (DSX-S310BTX) that will stream Pandora from any smart phone format iPhone, Android or Crackberry. They are currently the only ones with this capability.

GJ sony. Using phones to do what Pioneer and JVC headunits can already do. That would do lovely things to my data usage.

As I said before wing, that box is so bad-ass it makes B.A. Baracus look like Mr. Rogers.

It_Hertz · #26 (**permalink**) 09-23-2011, 06:56 PM

you do realize that Pioneer and JVC only connect to pandora thru an iPhone right?

shatterbox · #27 (**permalink**) 09-23-2011, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by It_Hertz

you do realize that Pioneer and JVC only connect to pandora thru an iPhone right?

Sunuva... I totally thought that they could do it with a sat radio module... upon some research, I stand corrected.

It_Hertz · #28 (**permalink**) 09-23-2011, 08:13 PM

yeah, it sux for those of us stuck to limited dataplans. Those who have unlimited or high usage data plans this works well for.

shatterbox · #29 (**permalink**) 09-28-2011, 03:53 PM

Pandora is such a great invention. i've discovered so much music from it.

That said, I'll stick to it on my computer where all I hear is through headphones, and use real CD's in my car...

corniliousk · #30 (**permalink**) 11-16-2011, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shatterbox

Wanna buy em? No box anymore though. Running w6 in my gti now. :)

maybe a little bit late of a post and I don't want to short soflakidd of anything... but I'd love to buy those subs!

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