Honda Prelude Forum
 
Go Back   Honda Prelude Forum > Tech-Talk > General Tech Talk

Thread Title
Timing Belt Question

 
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 05-29-2008, 07:43 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6
iTrader: (0)
chiphead is on a distinguished road
Timing Belt Question

Greetings folks. Noob here in SE NH. Just picked up a 94 Prelude Si VTEC last night for my son as a graduation present. He was driving a 90 Camry that had rust holes you could put your hand through. The Prelude has 153,000 miles on it and it appears we're the second owner. Car seems in very good shape except for the clear coat bubbling in spots. I'm guessing the original owner gave the car some serious love but is there a way to determine the condition of the timing belt or hazard a guess as to whether it has been changed or not? I've searched the posts on this and reading about timing belts going bad scares the ever loving crap out of me. Thanks for any input.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 05-29-2008, 09:36 AM
Jay's Avatar
Jay Jay is offline
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 117
iTrader: (0)
Jay is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to Jay Send a message via MSN to Jay Send a message via Skype™ to Jay
You can take the valve cover off and see the timing belt on the right overtop the cams and have a pretty good view of its condition. IF you were to replace the timing belt a few other replacements would be good at that mileage. (Water Pump, Timing Belt, check condit. of other belts, ect.) Also if you are going to replace the belt (being the car is an SI VTEC im assuming its an H22) be very careful with the Auto Tensioner, but knowing the cars engine would be helpful.
Here is the shop manual for your year prelude...
http://web.archive.org/web/200406101...ude_manual.htm
It is very helpful and shows you the steps and such to do most jobs on the car. Having rebuilt my H22 for the 4th time already every little thing counts. Hell, i shredded half my timing belt because i put the wrong washer in between the timing belt tensioner pulley and the balanceshaft belt tensioner pulley. I would also direct you just below the General Questions into the 4th Gen threads which pertain more specific to your model car. 4th Gen Refers to your body style and engine which is in the car, so most the questions/answers/problems in that thread will help you more so than others. Any other questions feel free to ask! Good Luck with the lude, also, give us some pics!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 05-29-2008, 12:43 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6
iTrader: (0)
chiphead is on a distinguished road
Thanks so much Jay. Very helpful.
You're right, it is a H22. My son is stoked. I hope it is good to him.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 05-29-2008, 01:29 PM
ChicagoRSX's Avatar
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Illinois, just outside chicago
Posts: 721
iTrader: (1)
ChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to ChicagoRSX Send a message via Yahoo to ChicagoRSX
Icon8

Quote:
Originally Posted by chiphead View Post
Thanks so much Jay. Very helpful.
You're right, it is a H22. My son is stoked. I hope it is good to him.
No offense, but I hope your son is good to it. I see so many kids come to my dealership who beat the crap out to their cars cause mommy and daddy bought it for them and they have no respect for it. Just had a 98 in last week, the dad 6 months ago bought it for his son, who promptly ran it out of oil, then the kid told us the car was a piece anyway. sorry to go off there, but kids like that piss me off to no end.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 05-29-2008, 01:40 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6
iTrader: (0)
chiphead is on a distinguished road
No offense taken ChicagoRSX. I understand and completely agree. Although I contributed to the purchase price of the car, my son is on the hook for the majority of it. He's been working three jobs and coughed up a pretty good piece of cash along with some going in hock to another family member. I'm fairly confident he'll treat it with kid gloves but it would be crushing if the car self destructed on him.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 05-29-2008, 01:44 PM
ChicagoRSX's Avatar
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Illinois, just outside chicago
Posts: 721
iTrader: (1)
ChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to ChicagoRSX Send a message via Yahoo to ChicagoRSX
I'm glad to hear that your son has worked hard and has put some of himself into the vehicle. Hope it is everything the two of you hope for in a vehicle...and a way of life lol. cause it will do that to you.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 05-29-2008, 05:23 PM
twokexlv6coupe's Avatar
little green ghouls, buddy!!
Photobucket
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: kitten mittens
Posts: 17,844
iTrader: (9)
twokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to twokexlv6coupe
ask the first (original) owner for receipts of when and where the timing belt was done, along with all the other work they (shoulda) done when doing the timing belt.
if they can't provide proof of when it was done, or if it was over 90,000 miles ago, you most DEFINITELY want to look into doing that ASAP!!
__________________

1995 Honda Prelude SE Turbo; 250whp, 275wtq @ 10psi Soldddd!!!

2000 Acura TL; DD
2005 Stage2.5+ Subaru WRB STi : RzKar!
Ivey Tuned - Advan - Cobb - Rallispec - CP - Perrin - ACT - KillerB - Carillo - TurboXS - Defi - Innovate - Walbro - DeatschWerks - Feal - H&R - Alpine - Infiniti - Curt

2001 Kawasaki STX1100 D.I. - Sold!
2007 Sea-Doo RXT 215; ET 127 +3 S/C impeller, DIY 3" intake, DIY resonator delete/free flow exhaust, DIY oil catch can, Rule 500gph bilge pump


Quote:
Originally Posted by Brash View Post
But you need that scoop on the hood. Is it true that they're big enough to fit your lunch box and all your camera gear in it?
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 05-29-2008, 07:20 PM
ogsmakdade's Avatar
functioning on impatience

Photobucket
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: progression through unlearning
Posts: 13,921
iTrader: (6)
ogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to ogsmakdade
^ nick is 100% correct, this is most important.

Also have your son check the oil weekly. H22's use oil, especially in vtec. I'm certain your son will have it there often.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sideswipe SI View Post
OGGS is a stuff a nerd in the locker type. He's only mellowed out 3 months ago.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wing8806 View Post
As it is, I wouldn't trust you washing my balls. And I typically let any trick hoe from OT do that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
Reading this thread was like watching pulp fiction the first time...

Cool quote Utopia.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 05-29-2008, 07:20 PM
ogsmakdade's Avatar
functioning on impatience

Photobucket
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: progression through unlearning
Posts: 13,921
iTrader: (6)
ogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond reputeogsmakdade has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to ogsmakdade
better yet, have him join the site and talk to us lol
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sideswipe SI View Post
OGGS is a stuff a nerd in the locker type. He's only mellowed out 3 months ago.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wing8806 View Post
As it is, I wouldn't trust you washing my balls. And I typically let any trick hoe from OT do that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
Reading this thread was like watching pulp fiction the first time...

Cool quote Utopia.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 05-29-2008, 07:28 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6
iTrader: (0)
chiphead is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by ogsmakdade View Post
better yet, have him join the site and talk to us lol
I'm sure he will. Since I last posted, the story has taken on many chapters. On the surface, it appears this Prelude may have some sort of a head gasket issue. Talked to the original owner after I searched him down on the web. He is sending me all the repair receipts. It's a long story and I need to step back and let my head clear. Unfriggin believable. I'm toast and my brain is overloaded but I will follow up. Thanks to all who have responded. Stay tuned.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 05-29-2008, 07:42 PM
twokexlv6coupe's Avatar
little green ghouls, buddy!!
Photobucket
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: kitten mittens
Posts: 17,844
iTrader: (9)
twokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond reputetwokexlv6coupe has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to twokexlv6coupe
honestly, changing a head gasket isn't TOOOO much more work after you've taken all the timing belt related stuff off. take the cams out, take the headbolts out (hardest part), disconnect all the connectors for the IM, then pull the head off.

if you see oil in your coolant or vice versa, then its most likely a bad head gasket. check that first.
__________________

1995 Honda Prelude SE Turbo; 250whp, 275wtq @ 10psi Soldddd!!!

2000 Acura TL; DD
2005 Stage2.5+ Subaru WRB STi : RzKar!
Ivey Tuned - Advan - Cobb - Rallispec - CP - Perrin - ACT - KillerB - Carillo - TurboXS - Defi - Innovate - Walbro - DeatschWerks - Feal - H&R - Alpine - Infiniti - Curt

2001 Kawasaki STX1100 D.I. - Sold!
2007 Sea-Doo RXT 215; ET 127 +3 S/C impeller, DIY 3" intake, DIY resonator delete/free flow exhaust, DIY oil catch can, Rule 500gph bilge pump


Quote:
Originally Posted by Brash View Post
But you need that scoop on the hood. Is it true that they're big enough to fit your lunch box and all your camera gear in it?
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 05-29-2008, 08:51 PM
Jay's Avatar
Jay Jay is offline
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 117
iTrader: (0)
Jay is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to Jay Send a message via MSN to Jay Send a message via Skype™ to Jay
Just a note of advice, if you do take the head off, you will need to replace the head gasket, get everything timed top dead center and stuff but something I overlooked when i rebuilt mine was the Head Bolts. They are stretch bolts so when they are used they will stretch a fine amount but enough to prevent the re-use. If you do try to put them back on it may lead to a blown head gasket and far worse problems. Also since it is an H22 be sure to handle the auto-tensioner with extreme caution. The re-installation of the auto tensioner can be a pain without the U shaped bracket, also if damaged could result in the destruction of the timing belt and the head itself. If you have trouble tracking the bracket down, someone, even i might have an extra one out in the garage, so an exchange of addresses could be needed. Good Luck and keep us posted!
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 05-30-2008, 06:45 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6
iTrader: (0)
chiphead is on a distinguished road
Thanks again for all the responses. Heres' the condensed story. We bought the car this past Wednesday night from a used car dealer, as is as shown for a reduced price. During the transaction the sales person pointed out that we were the second owner of the car. I tracked down the original owner yesterday via the web and he was willing to give me some background on the car. He loved the car and wasn't prepared or wanted to trade it in but when he took it in for service with a, according to him, a very noisey exhaust leak up by the motor, the folks told him he also needed pads and rotors, tires, which he admitted to, and also, according to him " they said something about a cracked head gasket-good thing I didn't' drive the car hard or something bad could happen". He was real vague on this and didn't seem like a technical type. he did say that he thought the timing belt was change d @ 20-30K ago. Again this prelude has 153K on it now. So I call my son yesterday from work and ask him to check the reservoir tank. He tells me it's close to empty and there is some sort of gunk in the bottom. I come home and scrape a sample - looks like that grey stuff you throw in to seal coolant leaks. I and my son start freaking out thinking we just bent over and the car needs a head gasket or cracked head or???? So we fill the reservoir tank. He drives it to work and back then home from school today. I took a vacation day today strictly for mental health ( I have three kids and he's the youngest). He checks the reservoir again today and it's close to empty. There's is fresh coolant on the top of the radiator fan shroud but no real evidence of leaks. We top the reservoir off and drive it for 5 miles. Looks like it's leaking at the very top seam of the radiator. Double check for external leakage and check the engine oil for grey milky contamination. Looks good. No white sweet smelling smoke out back. Take it to my local expensive small town repair shop and he digs around a bit and sniffs the exhaust etc under high revs and doesn't think it's pushing coolant through the combustion chamber. He's going to do the radiator on Monday and hopefully that's the end of the story. Stay tuned.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 05-31-2008, 06:10 PM
ChicagoRSX's Avatar
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Illinois, just outside chicago
Posts: 721
iTrader: (1)
ChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond reputeChicagoRSX has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to ChicagoRSX Send a message via Yahoo to ChicagoRSX
don't worry about that gunk at the bottom of the resevoir, i find that in many if not just about all honda's that are daily drivers. mostly its just burned and congelled coolant carried back to the resevoir as well as dirt and grime, relax, and just take it one thing at a time. lol by the way, my prelude had a leak from the top seam of it's radiator when I first got mine too.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 06-01-2008, 02:10 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 5
iTrader: (0)
Vroom is on a distinguished road
Thanks for all your help guys, and dont worry RSX, i plan on checking
the oil reguarly and babying the car more than i baby my dads . After stepping up from my 1990 camry to my new leather interior 5spd prelude, i have no intentions on ruining this car.

I just want to drive my car
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 06-01-2008, 05:54 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6
iTrader: (0)
chiphead is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by ogsmakdade View Post
better yet, have him join the site and talk to us lol
Well it looks like he's joined. You better baby my Altima Vroom.
The original owner sent us all his service receipts. He gave the car some serious love and spent a ton of money on it along with every recommended service. Timing belt at 90K, clutch master and slave cylinders, etc etc.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:44 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2 © 2011, Crawlability, Inc.
vB.Sponsors


Copyright © 2006-2009 PreludeZone.com All Rights Reserved.