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Old 08-07-2006, 06:31 PM
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Header Fight!

I'll let you guys see what fuel RMF and SMSP....

Read this carefully guys:
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1447032&page=1


I'm sure you guys remember when I posted this:
Who said RMF was the best? MSP TDF seems to edge him out!

After reading lets discuss!:) :tup:
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I have an RMF ss header and it's amazing. I got the hookup so he made it and I had it within a week. Seriously one of the most beautiful pieces I've seen.
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i was leaning towards smsp. then there was a stint where i was thinking i'd just go with the greddy. i think i'm back to smsp now.
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i was leaning towards smsp. then there was a stint where i was thinking i'd just go with the greddy. i think i'm back to smsp now.
would you mind explaining why?
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man ace, you're making me feel like i'm in college again. :p

i liked smsp from the beginning because of their construction quality. the back purging on the butt welds is what did it for me. they had (or maybe still has, i haven't checked lately) a picture of a header that got pretty messed up, but the welds didn't break apart. also by back purging the welds, the area where the welds are are smoother... giving the exhaust gases a smooth path out.

i think this is what you wanted me to elaborate on ace. if you're asking why i went from smsp to greddy, then back to smsp, well that's simple. smsp because i wanted to go all motor. greddy because i picked up the m and i was spending my money on that instead. smsp again because i decided i'm not going to mess with the m too much.
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thanks for that hotrod. what you stated I didn't even know.....


I think you can only compare two designs that are made and tuned for A particular setup.

hotrod what you said about how smooth welding is should be considered by anybody in the market for a custom one. ill take quility and performance over poor quality and high performance any day.


anyone care to defend rmf? you know its funny how only two people resond to a very important topic. I don't own either of these but if I had to choose one today I would go with smsp.
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what you said about how smooth welding is should be considered by anybody in the market for a custom one.
exactly. i really don't care how the header will look from the outside... because where are the gases traveling? inside or outside?
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I like the RMF from what i see in the dyno graph...

Definately go with RMF...dc sports and all that crap is just straight bs for the money...
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the construction of my RMF header inside and out is flawless. The flow passage couldn't be any smoother. The materials are all stainless (no mild steel flanges here) My header is completely custom and has a long sweep away from the block only an inch from my radiator. The collector is a thing of beauty. My uncles own their own steel construction, fabrication, and welding company, so I know a thing or two about metal.
I had a DC header and it was only on my car for two months, it's pure junk.
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all dc sports stuff sucks:tdown:
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I have their F&R upper strut tower braces, battery tie down, lower tie bar all in polished billet, they're really nice. I also have their short shift adapter and I like them all!
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^^ well...i was mainly speaking of their headers and what not....
dont take no offense ogsmakdade..you know that lude is one of my favorites...so dont think i am downin you.. you have most bad ass 5th gen ever imo.:D

thats just cool aluminum parts that are bad ass but their other stuff sucks... ss and battery tie down and stuff are straight but other than that i dont like em...
doent the ss adapter make something hit in 3rd and 5th or something?
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bumb I'm wondering the same thing cause I don't have short shifter because I don't want an adaptor.
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my adapter is smooth. they key is to drive the car and shift gears so you can make adjustments before you put everything back together. I love the 30% shorter throws
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personally ive debated quite a bit on this....i think that smsp JUST surpasses rmf in quality and reliability (as well as cost..) but rmf produces brute power as seen in the dynos...BUT the rmf guy on ht has had a record of twisting information/dynos so i havent seen a good good comparison?

my personal opinion for an application targeting these high end headers would be smsp...
but in my case, maybe something that will give me a bit more low-mid end power than the upper echelon of the power band would be better...target your application..
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personally ive debated quite a bit on this....i think that smsp JUST surpasses rmf in quality and reliability (as well as cost..) but rmf produces brute power as seen in the dynos...BUT the rmf guy on ht has had a record of twisting information/dynos so i havent seen a good good comparison?

That is exactyly what I was hoping people would get out of this..... scueing results to favor you vs. doing a raw comparison
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well, here's my thought. the only way you're going to be able to get a good unbiased comps is take a bone stock lude and dyno it. swap out the stock header for the rmf header, and dyno it again. swap out the rmf header for the smsp header, and dyno it again.

but then you need to keep in mind that these custom headers are for built motors. so for a lude with minor bolt-ons, not to mention a stock lude, the results that you get using this method is probably off too. so the next best thing is to get a built lude, and do the header swaps and dyno in between. i need you guys to buy me a rmf header and a smsp header. i'll do the dyno. :D
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hotrod right on.... IMO is this... there is no such thing as the best header. You can argue about quality all day but don't have a conversation with me about rmf is the best. Both these headers are great headers. You build your motor and you tell them what you have and they fab one up that will suit your needs for a usable power curve. you can't take a header that is designed for a specific build and compare it to another header that is for another particular build. Thats ludacris to me. I hate when people say this is the best or that is the best. The best is what is made to compliment your build.


There is really no comparison. There is a guy on honda-tech and another sited that I won't name that only made 175whp and 134ish ft/tq. with the rmf/I/E. chipped ecu tuned with crome

I had dc header, ebay short ram intake, stock exhaust and vafc2 and I made 175whp with 137ft/tq.

So somebody wanna compare dc to rmf? No you can't. I think its the same with SMSP and RMF KTeller and MSP TDF or any other custom fabricators.


Personally... from reading honda-tech which i don't post on there I just read from time to time. I will never buy a rmf header... His tacticts are unprofessional. In fact I view it as "hating"... You do not put someone else down to make yourself look good. Big no no.... He was called out in that thread and he made the remark about it being a joke. If smsp had left that alone he would have lost a lot of business.

Even if RMF makes the most power for whatever build I'm doing I can't see myslelf buying one. marketing strategy just doesn't sit right with me. He is too controversal for me to invest money in his product.

That is just my opinion though....
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yeah i remember that thread in ht. that was a huge no no on rmf's part imo.
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that's just like saying "I don't want T.O. on my football team because he runs his mouth, even though having him could win me a superbowl"
I look at it this way, my RMF header is beautiful, the quality is among the best fabrication I've ever seen, the product suits my motor perfectly and makes a LOT of extra power across the band. This is what it basically should boil down to: Which product meets the specific need of the car you have or are building.
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Tru... true.... But don't sque numbers to put them in your favor that wrong. Especially when one design was not tuned for the specifications (build) that your header was made for.

I don't doubt that rmf makes a good header but the marketing strategy was wrong... there for left a bad impression so I can't buy his product.
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if that's how you feel, that's fine. But I have no qualms about droppin a G on a dope one off custom header.
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Damnit! your no fun... you won't debate with me... lol
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and i have nothing to say to you because we're on the same page.

i'll also put in my 2 cents about the skewing of data. i'm not denying rmf makes a great product. notice i never really said which one is better between rmf and smsp. i only said which one i liked more. that being said, the only gripe i've got is that the data skewed.
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yeah hotrod... I never said rmf is not good. just the data is off a little bit TO favor rmf....
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fine. I agree that skewed data is wack. Although I love my header so eat me lol. I can't fault a great product because of the creators shotty business tactics. Who has ethics anymore anyway?
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fine. I agree that skewed data is wack. Although I love my header so eat me lol. I can't fault a great product because of the creators shotty business tactics. Who has ethics anymore anyway?

Mr. Ogsmakdade! are getting a little angry at me???? I didn't mean to piss you off lol.....

Hey! My major in college has a lot to do with business ethics... its my minor...
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it's sad, but good point.
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If business ethics was ur major you'd never find a job lol. I'm not mad at all, takes quite a bit more than that to upset me. Plus I'm fairly certain my car speaks for itself, with all her parts listed.
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