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Old 04-24-2008, 10:40 AM
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H22 block info

So which H22 block is the strongest? I plan on starting my build soon and i would like to try and get ahold of a good block.

I obviously am rockin the A4 block right now and I just got ahold of a 92-95 H22A block that needs sleeved and a new crank.

Would it be better to go with the closed deck H22A or stay with my open deck A4?
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the simple answer? The close deck one. are you building for boost?
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mm yea...the "stonger" one is the closed deck h22a1...
stock, the open deck id say is more "efficient" at keeping cooler..

often people chose not to boost the more porious open decked h22a4..
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build the one that's not in the car lol. much easier since it's already out.

rheakpl I think once you do build them (meaning both blocks) the difference between the 2 are minimal.
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so then Roy if i wanted to boost on my stock motor, all i need are stronger pistons and i can run 7-8 all day long?
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so then Roy if i wanted to boost on my stock motor, all i need are stronger pistons and i can run 7-8 all day long?
if your installing new pistons, its not a stock motor anymore
and its not as easy as "just" installing new pistons. theres only one piston on the market now compatable with the FRM sleeves, which are the mahle gold series pistons, which i've only heard of a handful of successful motors that have last past 10,000miles on.
other than the mahles, the only other way to have forged pistons in an H block is to get the block sleeved which is right around a grand, and if your getting the block sleeved, you might as well get new rods, polished and balanced crank, have the rotating assembly balanced, new bearings, headstuds, yadda yadda yadda
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i was told by a mechanic that the h22 block has very thin gaps between sleeves and therefore would make the block very weak if you bore it too much??..personally i dont have a fckin clue
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the only reason i said that was cause i heard Roy say it in another thread but thanks nick, and before this turns into another boost thread, im just going to get a F22 when my H22 dies and have funn all day long, blow it, build it,give it more boost, have some more fun, blow it again, and get another F22, boost it and fun again..and on and on and on..lol

on the topic most people prefer closedeck when boosting because it "stronger",but the opendeck cools better. i think rheakpl said that too tho
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so then Rory if i wanted to boost on my stock motor, all i need are stronger pistons and i can run 7-8 all day long?
Quick Answer. Yes u can. U can get un forged pistons by Mahle. We installed them in a few motors and was very impressed. I had them in one of my motors and i ran 17 psi daily. never had a problem. I only changed the oil. And i had over 50k miles on that motor also.

U can not put forged pistons in the H22 with out sleeving the block. The prelude h22 has a special nickel factory sleeve which stops you from putting in forged pistons.

I installed the mahle pistons with factory rods, bearings, and crank. I never had problems with this setup. I actually sold this motor and its still running around. It didnt even smoke.
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rory, did you PUT over 50K miles on the mahle pistons?
or you installed them after 50K on the engine?
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rory, did you PUT over 50K miles on the mahle pistons?
or you installed them after 50K on the engine?
i put over 50k ON the Mahle Pistons. The motor had about 80k when i installed them. Stock Head. Stock everything but pistons.
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If you want.. i can do in depth about each motor i have built and what power each was putting out and how long it lasted.
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Umm... do you even need to ask? Lol Rory, lay your knowledge on us, you turbo 5th gen God you.
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Umm... do you even need to ask? Lol Rory, lay your knowledge on us, you turbo 5th gen God you.

OK. Let me get ready for a long post.

First of all.. This was all on the same turbo kit. A Turbonetics 60-1 62 Trim. All motors had 720cc Injectors w/ Walbro 250 Fuel Pump. All Tuned on hondata s200.

The First motor i turbo charged was a completely stock motor. No internal work. When I started it out. It was only running 7 Psi. It was noticably quicker but still nothing great comparing to a DOHC Turbo Civic Running 8psi. It will still smoke ya. The motor seemed to show some signs of wear over time in the next half year. Started Smoking and slowly loosing compression. About 14k miles later. It was gone.

Next was another stock. This is x2 because i had 2 motors with the same results. Ill explain later. I got another used h22 and dropped it in my car. Started the tune and it made it with flying colors at 8psi. That same day we started tuning it for 11psi. Well... after that tune the car was done at the end of the run. The piston rings immediatly gave. The motor lost so much compression I had to turn up the idle just to keep it running. So we replaced the motor that same week with another used h22. This motor went through the same tune and came out with the exact same results.

After suffering from the blown 2 motors from ^^^^. I decided to order one more used h22 and install the mahle pistons. We sent the block to a machine shop where it was bored to spec. The mahle pistons was 9:1. And when the motor was assembled we dropped it in the car. Finally .. its running and off to tuning we went. 8psi ... 11psi ... 17psi .. Man the car took every bit of it. That motor was a champ. No signs of problems and compression just as strong as when we started. I was happy as ****. I never had a problem with this motor. I drove the car daily and raced every weekend along with a few road course runs. I was so confident I took it everywhere. 50k later the motor was still running.. and still not smoking.

Finally... i was building a H22 block from the ground up. Heads, Sleeves, Rods and pistons .. polished crank... the works. This motor made 422whp only because i limited it there. The power was starting to become pointless. This was the motor that was in my car when totaled. This motor was strong but it was definitly getting to the race car point where driving it daily was starting to not be a wise choice.

I was building another motor as a back up but Girlyboosted brought it. To bad the shop she sent it to was messed over her.
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so do they make the mahle gold series pistons for the h23... im guessing they could right??
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yea they're basically the same as H22, but with the wrist pin a bit higher i believe
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build the one that's not in the car lol. much easier since it's already out.

rheakpl I think once you do build them (meaning both blocks) the difference between the 2 are minimal.
you are right, mr. artist formerly known as topendlude. :]
minimal difference if you fully build build the motors.
usually if you had to purchase a separate motor for turbo, people opt for the closed decked than the open.

rory...wow you are on a lot today eh?
heh heh, ty for your wisdom o mighty one.

wanna help me plan/build another 4th gen aestetically the exact same as my current na one...
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where'd you get your mahles installed?
a local machine shop that you knew could deal w/ the FRM sleeves?
or ship the block off to someone who specializes w/ FRM sleeves?


this could be a possibility to my spare H23 block.
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I installed the Pistons.

A local machine shop did bore to spec. Any machine shop that knows what the hell they doing should be able to work with the FRM sleeves.
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rory...wow you are on a lot today eh?
heh heh, ty for your wisdom o mighty one.

wanna help me plan/build another 4th gen aestetically the exact same as my current na one...
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where'd you get your mahles installed?
a local machine shop that you knew could deal w/ the FRM sleeves?
or ship the block off to someone who specializes w/ FRM sleeves?


this could be a possibility to my spare H23 block.

you didn't know about the mahles? Go cop dem now shawtie! Boost the hell out of that h23!
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nah i did but they've been so iffy about who has had tremendous success with them like rory, and others who have had catastrophic failure with them within like 1000 miles.

they just sound like they're very temperamental, which isn't too comforting.
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nah i did but they've been so iffy about who has had tremendous success with them like rory, and others who have had catastrophic failure with them within like 1000 miles.

they just sound like they're very temperamental, which isn't too comforting.

Im gonna tell u right now.. if a motor started messing up around 1000 miles. I wanna know what kinda damaged it was. Because to have a motor mess up that fast.. it seems like it wasnt put together right. And yes.. I am not afraid to say i mess up on building a motor before. One of my FULLY BUILT motors blew up because of a small error. 6k motor down the drain. Live and learn. Some people never wanna say they may have F'ed up and just blame it on the pistons. Some people are not even experience enough to even know what or where they actually mess up.

I also built another motor for a friend of mine running the same pistons.. and he runs race gas in his car at the track very often. 24 psi all the way. still running.
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nah i did but they've been so iffy about who has had tremendous success with them like rory, and others who have had catastrophic failure with them within like 1000 miles.

they just sound like they're very temperamental, which isn't too comforting.

The first ones that where released had problems but when they refined them, it was like God was smiling on the H series engines. I bet the hellified stories you've read about was from people who got them when they first came out. They'll work fine now.
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Im gonna tell u right now.. if a motor started messing up around 1000 miles. I wanna know what kinda damaged it was. Because to have a motor mess up that fast.. it seems like it wasnt put together right. And yes.. I am not afraid to say i mess up on building a motor before. One of my FULLY BUILT motors blew up because of a small error. 6k motor down the drain. Live and learn.

I agree 100% but when these pistons were first intruduce they were not perfect.
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I agree 100% but when these pistons were first intruduce they were not perfect.
Read the post again. i edited it.
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