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Old 02-07-2008, 03:31 AM
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modified exhaust tickets

hey.. i'm new to the forum.. a few months ago i got some poor feedback about this topic on a different site, but i'm going to get it out there again in hopes that it will help.

I live in idaho and it is illegal to modify your exhaust.. but if you read the law it states you can modify your exhaust if the manufacturer recommends it. If you drive a nissan and mod it with a nismo exhaust you are ok.. or perhaps a scion tc and mod it with a trd exhaust. you are ok.. but the police don't realize or understand the law. They see or hear an exhaust that they don't like they write you a ticket. My lude is not stock by any means. Last summer I was pulled over 8 times in a 3 month period.. all bs in my opinion (they see my car and hope for a drug bust.. that is another topic(which i will address later this summer, i am installing a camera setup for my own protection. I had drug dogs search my car without my consent and waste my time for over an hour. The officer outright told me they searched my car because of the way it looked.. when i asked for the video tape in court.. there wasn't one. Right.. police search a car with the intent to find drugs and don't turn on the cameras.. ok)

i got 4 tickets all together last summer.. i fought them and I was stuck with only one that dealt with my address not being correct on my id.. i've moved around 5 times in the past 4 years.. so again.. bs charge but there was nothing i could do.

So.. i do some research.. i find this link from honda.worldwide.. hxxp://world.honda.com/news/2002/4021105.html
(i don't know why i can't post this.. maybe the xx will make the system not understand)

yes.. they are concept cars.. but it does talk about HONDA FACTORY PERFORMANCE.. this is what other companies offer.. nismo, trd, etc.. honda doesn't have it out in the open in the states, but they do in japan. I printed this webpage out took it to court and said.. you see the part where Greddy parts are all over this car?? yup i have a Greedy cat back exhaust.. so honda puts it on this car.. means it is ok on my car..

the court ruled in my favor. I don't think it was a fluke that I won. the law is not enforced correctly.. any 56 chevy or 65 mustang with a modded exhaust does not get bothered because you can't even buy a stock exhaust for them.. but they roll around in cars 5 to 10x louder than my exhaust.

I want this to help others out there that get similar tickets.. fight these stupid fix it tickets.. there should be nothing illegal about improving the performance of our cars.
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Old 02-07-2008, 12:41 PM
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Thats lame dood. The kids at my old highschool who wrote the school newspaper, "with the help of the school's police officer" they wrote an article outlining the legality of aftermarket parts. They tried to say that anything not factory installed on a car was illegal. And i wrote a nice long rebuttal back to the paper. It didn't get posted, go figure. A friend of mine had an 86 Monte Carlo with a fully built smallblock, fully custom everything and flowmaster catback. The cop gave him a ticket saying that since none of that stuff was put on the car from the factory, it was therefore illegal. Not really sure how the situation resolved, if at all, cuz I graduated a week later.

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Man... I always hear all these horror stories about people getting busted for intakes, and exhausts, and aftermarket this that and the other thing... I consider myself pretty lucky, because that type of shxt is unheard of where I live. I have NEVER heard of someone getting a ticket for aftermarket exhaust, or intake, etc... I find it to be ridiculous, I pay for the car, I own the car, therefore it should be my right to make any modifications I please to my own car just so long as it can still pass emissions... I think it's ridiculous. "Noise violations" and whatnot are absolutely BS, and utter crocks of ****. It's just an excuse to take more of our money. What about Harley-Davidsons? My neighbor (4 houses down) has a Harley that when he starts it up it make my friggin' windows rattle, it's absolutely outrageous that that should be completely legal yet you get a ticket for putting a readily available aftermarket exhaust on your car.

Although, I have to say, I disagree with you about that "not being a fluke". Cuz think about it... your main argument is that it's legal to modify your car using parts that the MANUFACTURER suggests using... so I could see if you had Mugen parts (that's the closest thing I could think of to things like TRD, STi, Nismo, Ralliart, etc...), but Greddy parts aren't made specifically for Honda, and the manufacturer (Honda) doesn't "recommend" using their parts... as a matter of fact, if anything, using certain aftermarket parts will void your warranties, meaning that the manufacturer certainly wouldn't "recommend" using them. You showing the judge pictures of race cars that were certainly not ever meant to be road-legal, and then using that as justification for saying that your car should be road-legal, is kind of bass-ackwards if you ask me.

You see what I'm saying? It's like apples and oranges. You saying "Honda put these parts on this race-car, that means it's ok for my road-car" really isn't a valid argument... especially a legally binding one. The difference is, that race-car was never meant to be road legal... if that thing drove down your street, it would get 5x as many tickets as your car would. So if that car isn't road-legal with all of its mods, why should yours be? You could then argue that your car doesn't have nearly as many mods as that car does... but then you would be admitting that your car is completely different all together, and shouldn't be held to the same standards... apples and oranges. You can't have it both ways... You either gotta say that your car shoudl be held to the same standards as a purpose built (off-road use only) race car... or that your car shouldn't be held to the same standards because it was never meant to be a purpose built race-car, and therefore was never meant to receive the parts that the purpose built race car received.

Now, don't get me wrong... I agree with you whole-heartedly. I'm on your side all the way, there's no reason that you should be ticketed for having an aftermarket exhaust on your car... it's not like you're running around with open-headers or something...

I'm just saying that I think you got lucky, and that the judge was sympathetic to your cause. I don't think you won because of sound legal reasoning, I think you just had more knowledge in the field of cars than the judge did, and he took what you said at face value and had mercy on you :-P... either way, more power to you!

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Or those little teenager bastards in their chitty civics with so much bass pounding, that their whole car is rattling, and I cant even hear my own music with my windows up, sunroof closed, and the volumed "cranked to 11". Thats what bothers the shyt out of me. Harleys are badass...But i agree with BadMofo.
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Or those little teenager bastards in their chitty civics with so much bass pounding, that their whole car is rattling, and I cant even hear my own music with my windows up, sunroof closed, and the volumed "cranked to 11".
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you could use a R&D thermal exhaust its made from Hondas racing and development team no?
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BadMoFo.. i see your point.. but i think you might have been looking at the last few cars on that page.. there was no prelude there so in court I used the Civic Si as my example.. cut and pated from that page

2003 Honda Civic Si Concept
The 2003 Honda Civic Si Concept delivers hard-hitting power and showcases the adaptability of the Si to aerodynamic enhancements and other customization. Modified with a prototype GReddy turbocharger for street use, the Civic Si Concept produces 230-horsepower. Underneath, the Civic Si Concept employs a Honda-developed racing suspension with a widened track and ultra high-performance springs, shock absorbers, Brembo brakes, 18-inch wheels and more. The Honda CBR motorcycle red paint taps into Honda's championship-winning motorcycle racing heritage. Parts of the body that channel air for cooling and heat exhaustion are constructed of nickel carbon fiber. The interior houses carbon fiber race seats and a Mugen digital display replaces the traditional gauges with a multi-program LCD screen that can convey extensive engine information. An additional Mugen information center with an LCD screen mounted on the center of the instrument panel provides additional on-board diagnostics.


and GReddy up the yang in parts...


Powertrain/Chassis Modifications: GReddy T518Z Turbocharger with integral wastgate, prototype GReddy front-mounted intercooler kit with aluminum piping, GReddy Airinx high-flow intake system, GReddy e-manage engine control manager, GReddy Profec E-01 electronic boost controller (with e-manage programmer), widened track, Factory Performance sport suspension, center mounted high-flow exhaust system, 4-piston Brembo brake system. Exterior Modifications: Rally-inspired body kit, 18-inch polished titanium-finish wheels, carbon fiber grill, front intake and rear bumper diffuser, black chrome finish headlights and smoked taillights, high-mounted 2-stage rear wing. Interior Modifications: Mugen carbon fiber and Kevlar race seats covered in red Alcantera suede with 6-point racing harness, sport 3-spoke steering wheel, aluminum pedals and shift knob, Mugen high performance LCD screen gauge package, center mounted information display.

but i think the best option for an exhaust would be Mugen.. and really when building my car the law wasn't really in my train of thought.. but i did go with something quality and in my opinion honda believes it to be quality or they would not put so many aftermarket parts made by GReddy on their car.

So either way.. we all agree these laws are stupid.. maybe someone can use this info to help them.. i give it a 80-90% chance of working again
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That is a good example. Gosh your laws are stupid.
Agreed with Badmofo.

I have seen Civic were I live that you can hear from over 2 miles away, And Ford/Chevy trucks that the exhaust manifold is a inch off the engine. Those are loud as Fvck.
I also live well over 12miles from a drag strip that I can hear them perfectly clear.
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