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Car needs intermittent jump starts

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Replaced battery couple of months ago after the battery died. Since then the car has needed Jump start about half a dozen times. The uncertainty of successfully starting the car when I need to be somewhere is really the issue. I really do not mind the jump start. Initially thought I was leaving something on but that has since been ruled out. There is no pattern to the failure of the new battery. Finally took it to the place where the battery was bought and they tested it and verified that the battery is good and the charging system is working. Did notice that couple of times with the jump start the car did not start immediately (Maybe the battery was completely drained) Any ideas where to look for issues? Is there a intermittent short or starter motor on the blink and acting up. Thanks.

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Old 01-28-2008, 09:09 PM
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check all your ground and power wires. make sure the wires on ur starter have good connection
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my lude has been doing the same thing for a couple of months now. i also went and bought a new battery, but it still wont start sometimes. If i leave it on a charger overnight, she is pretty good for me for a few days. If i drive it at night my speedometer will quit working and my lights dim. My uncle suggested getting a new alternator, which i got today so i guess i will see if that helps.
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my lude has been doing the same thing for a couple of months now. i also went and bought a new battery, but it still wont start sometimes. If i leave it on a charger overnight, she is pretty good for me for a few days. If i drive it at night my speedometer will quit working and my lights dim. My uncle suggested getting a new alternator, which i got today so i guess i will see if that helps.
I am thinking alt on yours aswell.

As far as the real problem at hand for Roger, it could be the starter crapping out, or a loose wire somewhere, atleast those are my few guesses.
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I am thinking alt on yours aswell.

As far as the real problem at hand for Roger, it could be the starter crapping out, or a loose wire somewhere, atleast those are my few guesses.
Thanks for all the ideas. I will let you know what eventually solves the problem. BTW ludechik92, I have replaced the alternator twice in my 89 prelude and both times the charging light came on while driving indicating a problem with the charging system. At night the problem is more obvious and if the alternator is not working the car will cut out since the battery will have no juice left. The dimming of light and gauges acting may be a precursor to the alternator totally craping out but it can take a while to get there. Hopefully you will replace it with a remanufactured one from Honda.
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does the engine turn when u turn the ignition or is it completely dead when u try starting it?
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does the engine turn when u turn the ignition or is it completely dead when u try starting it?
Not when the problem manifests itself. The lights come on but it does not crank. So far the subsequent jump starting starts the car until the problem rears its head again. I have yet to try the blunt force trauma on the starter method.
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You have to have full power at the battery to turn the starter. It needs the Amps. Starters use up a lot of amps. Lights any accessories do not. Make sure battery has correct amp reading, Cold amps meet Honda Spec. (a Civic/Fit battery wont work because it doesn't have the Amps; poor tiny things ) cold = less amps. If the jump starts it first time it is not the starter. So don't go banging on it.
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Not when the problem manifests itself. The lights come on but it does not crank. So far the subsequent jump starting starts the car until the problem rears its head again. I have yet to try the blunt force trauma on the starter method.
The problem most definatly is the starter..I had the same problem and had to change the starter motor..luckily i had parts and labour warranty and had it changed for free otherwise it would have cost me £300 for a new starter..

give the starter a little tap with a hammer or blunt item on the side where the solenoid is while you get someone to keep the key turned in the ignition..if it cranks then its definatly your starter.
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Either the starter or the alternater. If its the alt, then when you drive your new battery is not being recharged properly, thus why it doesn't have the power to crank the engine. If the alt is good, then it has to be the starter. IF THAT IS ALSO FINE, wiring...
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The starter is rediculously easy to replace so i say start there. maybe someone in your area has the same engine and they will let you do a temporary swap to see if the problem gets fixed. I know it was said before, but check the connections everywhere. Also, check for corrosion, that can give the same symtoms as not having enough CCA. I would start by checking the ground on the starter itself. You can also inspect the starter's gearing when you pull it too.
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Well the thing is that ludechik already replaced the alternator once, i just think she got a bad deal.. dont get me wrong, she wuz just trying to save some $ but now she bought a new one and hopefully it fixes it... checked everything on her car when i went up there, and everything checked out, i even replaced her Fast Idle thinking that wuz it.. any way i hope you get your prob fixed!
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Doesn't sound like the alternator to me, because if it was your alternator... jumping your car would indeed get it started, but it would then start to die on you as soon as you unhook the jumper cables and drive away. Sounds like it may be your starter, or as was said earlier, you don't have a sufficient amount of cold crank amps from your new battery. Also, check all the lights that you wouldn't notice if they stayed on... like your trunk light/glove compartment light etc... it could be that one of those lights is making false contact from time to time and staying on, draining your battery until your next jump. Check your grounds, power wires, etc... break out a multimeter and start checking wires.

Also, ludenight and ludechic, have you checked her alternator belt and any/all involved pulleys? It may be that her alternator is alright, but the belt is slipping. My mom's intrepid had a bad alternator belt and the lights would start to dim and what not every once in a while if the belt came loose. The thing with that is, the problem will normally be accompanied by a squeeling belt, making it easier to identify.

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easy way to determine if its the battery or alternator.

if you have a multimeter. Test the battery voltage with the engine off. Start the car. If the voltage rises, then the alternator is good and you need to check your grounds.
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easy way to determine if its the battery or alternator.

if you have a multimeter. Test the battery voltage with the engine off. Start the car. If the voltage rises, then the alternator is good and you need to check your grounds.
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i have the same problem in my 4th...i think i have a short somewhere tho cuz i went through 2 brand new batteries in a year
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^^^ u dont drive yours that often tho do u??? u should take of the negative cable when ur not driving it
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Murphy's rule is in effect. I have checked all the wiring to make sure it's snug and not corroded. Waiting on the problem to show up so I can try the various remedies.
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so is your problem back/fixed/undetermined? I am kind of having the same issues. I tried to jump it tonight and it took a while plus pumping the gas. if I do not keep the RPM's up it dies. my friend thinks it is the alternator...if so what alternator should I get for a F22B?
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so is your problem back/fixed/undetermined? I am kind of having the same issues. I tried to jump it tonight and it took a while plus pumping the gas. if I do not keep the RPM's up it dies. my friend thinks it is the alternator...if so what alternator should I get for a F22B?
My problem has not shown up since I posted. Murphy rule still in effect. The only thing I had done was make sure all the connection were sound. Have you made sure your battery is good? If the alternator is the problem the dashboard light usually comes on. Is that the case? An autostore will test the alternator if you take it to them. The hassle is in the effort to take it out especially if it's not the problem. I do not know what F22B is but I usually replace parts with OEM parts from majestic honda online. I hope this helps.
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FYI. I gave in and took it to a shop who have worked on my car in the past. I like them becuase they let me buy my own parts so I can get OEM parts as replacement and they charge labor. I have had bad experience replacing used/non OEM alternators and other parts so I prefer OEM. They are more expensive but in the long run it's a wash. I had another posting on another thread about weird turn signal behavior. Both the turn signal issue and internittent starting issue was solved in one shot. It turned out to be a intermittent short in a very unlikely place. The light switch on the driver side door! The years of abuse had taken it's toll and I knew it was loose but since it worked I never bothered to tighten it. The problem was also masked by a faulty new battery that could not hold it's charge very well. I never considered the battery until the shop said that the short was the problem and also identified a faulty battery. The shop agreed with me that the alternator and the starter were not really the problem since the jump start always started the car and it never died once it was running.
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That is exactly what I was going to suggest. I had a recommended shop do work on my old del-sol. They changed the ckutch hydraulics (instead of looking to change a stupid hose which was leaking) and they got me a new battery which needed jumpstarting overnight. So they charged me money but got nothing out of it. Lost the invoice so couldn't claim anything back.
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Hi!

What you experianced is very common? Relatively lucky that they did not replace the clutch or it would have cost you more since they would have still not solved the problem.
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I ended up replacing the clutch anyway. Nothing better likea new clutch.
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