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Old 01-27-2008, 04:31 PM
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ATF and Seafoam

OK guys i need help ASAP, im going to do a oil change in a bit and was thinking about doing both the Seafoam and ATF treatments during a single oil change

i was going to first do the Seafoam till it stops smoking then park the car on my driveway, turn if off, pour in the ATF, let it idle for 5mins, and do a regular oil change..

Do you guys think it would be ok to do both at the same time. And please, i don't mean any disrespect or anything, but if your not sure then please don't post, im sure you can understand why. I don't want to destroy my car

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Anyone? I'm about to start on it...
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ummm, it makes me nervous for sure. Personally, if I ever want to clean out my engine. All you need to do is substitute one quart of MTF for ATF fluid. That way your cleaning your engine for the full 3000 mi and not just 5 min. Some deposits just take time.

Some things need to be patient with.
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^I have never heard of either technique... so I won't give my .02.... come to think of it... why the hell am I even posting in here... guess I'm becoming a whore.

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I've heard of them both. The seafoam is ran for like 5-10 minutes or until it stops smoking. THen drain the seafoam.

The ATf fluid technique is just filling the engine with ATF fluid instead of motor oil for 5-10 minutes.

NO REVVING with either of these tricks. But they are used to clean out the deposits and junk in your motor.

I'm telling you man just run a quart of ATF with the rest motor oil for an oil change. Do it once or twice and you'll be straight.

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I've heard of them both. The seafoam is ran for like 5-10 minutes or until it stops smoking. THen drain the seafoam.

The ATf fluid technique is just filling the engine with ATF fluid instead of motor oil for 5-10 minutes.

NO REVVING with either of these tricks. But they are used to clean out the deposits and junk in your motor.

I'm telling you man just run a quart of ATF with the rest motor oil for an oil change. Do it once or twice and you'll be straight.

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Yeah thats what i plan on doing but i just wanted to do th seafoam also i already bought it so i doesn't really matter as long as it doesn't harm my engine.

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I would do both personally, you might get a leak. I would seafoam the engine, and do my trick afterwards. Just no ravving fool lol
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well i don't plan on running the seafoam through the crank case so hopefully that should reduce the risk of a leak...what you think

and i thought with seafoam you HAD rev the engine otherwise it'll stall?
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We might be thinking of different techniques.

See I've heard of people putting it in the oil opening and running the engine like that to get all the oil deposits off the cylinder walls and the pan and such. But its to drastic for my taste. I'd go for whatever trick u were talkin about, but I'm not sure what it is.
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Thats what i was planning on doing as far Seafoam:


"suck of the seafoam through the intake.


Intake hose.
Face the engine.
you should read DOHC on it.
at the top right of the engine is a hose that you can pull right out.
Its not shaped like a straight hose because its got a little L shaped connector head on it.
Suck up the seafoam through the L thingy into the hose.
(make sure nothing falls into that hole while your doing it).

I would use the whole bottle of seafoam through the intake. I highly recommend against putting in the oil. and Putting seafoam in the gas doesnt really work, let the gas cleaners do that.
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And this for ATF:

Do you have an oil change coming up? Perfect.

Next time you are getting ready to change your oil, and you are down at PepBoys, Autozone, etc. Pick up a quart of ATF, doesn't matter what kind, I usually buy the cheapest.

Park your car at home. Pull out the dipstick, and notice the color of the oil. Now remove the oil cap, and pour in the ATF. Let it idle for about 5 mins. Let it cool... and drain it.

You will notice when you drain the oil, that it will be black... almost like ink. That is all the gunk out of your cylinder head, oil passages and block.

Now just do the oil change as usual. When you are done take it around the block. Come back with you comments and impressions.

The reason this works:
- ATF is an incredible detergent. It has to be in order to keep an Automatic Tranny's tiny little passages clear. So when you add it to the engine which doesn't see many detergents running through it. It will clean that sucker right up.

The older the motor, the bigger the difference you will feel.
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sounds scarey to me, but i guess it makes sense how it can work.
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sounds scarey to me, but i guess it makes sense how it can work.
Exactly! thats why i put of my oil change untill wed.
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sounds like you'd need to clean out that intake house afterwards, but the directions dont specify that.

but go for it and let us know!
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Yeah I'll see.. but i have bounce for now my first period(computer programing it over)
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Well.. here's the thing... First of all, whoever originally wrote that sounds like they have no clue what they are talking about... the hose he is talking about isn't really an "intake hose". What they are talking about is the PCV valve (Positive Crankcase Ventilation Valve... I'm sure you already knew this though). And even though they don't sound liek they have any clue what it is... they are correct. This is the preferred method for running seafoam through your motor. Seafoam can have pretty bad consequences on sensors... it's pretty volatile stuff, and running it through your PCV is apparently the safest route to get it in there... By running it through your PCV valve, the intake manifold is sucking it straight in and then distributing it straight into your cylinders with air and fuel... therefore it's not running through anything it could really damage other than the PCV valve itself, and the small rubber vacuum hose... both of which can (and, in at least my opinion, should) be replaced very cheaply. The reason I say to replace these two VERY cheap parts... is because of how volatile Seafoam is... once you use it, you'll see what i mean... I personally suspect that it is mostly kerosene or something similar, and I don't know what that will do to the condition of a rubber hose.

Also, like said before... don't be surprised if it causes an oil leak... I wouldn't be surprised if some of this stuff squeeks by your piston rings and down into your crank case... and it definitely does its job of breaking down deposits... however, sometimes these deposits might devolop on your main seals for instance, and help to seal what would otherwise be a leak. Hence, when you remove said deposits, you might develop the leak they were preventing... kind of a double-edged sword. And again, I don't know what this stuff will do to rubber seals... that's why I am personally wary of using it in my crank case/pcv valve/gas tank. I do however own a large bottle of it, and I use it to clean lots of parts by hand... it works great. I cleaned my throttle body out with it and a toothbrush and it worked WONDERS... but like I said... it's some harsh stuff man lol... that's why I only use it by hand.

Edit: This is from the Material Safety Data Sheet


1 PALE OIL 4229 40-60%
2 NAPHTHA 20 25-35%
3 IPA 125 10-20%

Naphtha is similar to Kerosene (and petroleum ether), but thinner.

IPA is isopropyl alcohol.

And I dunno WTF pale oil is... it's probably just a mineral oil medium to help carry the alcohol and naphtha. So yeah, it's pretty volatile stuff, and i'm not sure what it'll do to rubber lol, but it is listed as an ingredient in some rubber solvents... so if you are gunna run it, do it with caution.

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Very informitive. I've also heard of people doing the same thing but just with straight kerosene.
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Very informitive. I've also heard of people doing the same thing but just with straight kerosene.
From what I understand, straight kerosene is good to run through a NON RUNNING motor, using it to flush it out during an oil change. I don't think that running straight kerosene through a running motor is recommended.


It's also worthwhile to note that on the seafoam website, their instructions for PCV use are a little different. They say to run your motor till warm, suck the seafoam up through the pcv valve and into your motor... and then immediately turn your car off for 5-10 minutes. This will let some of the liquid seafoam sit on top of your pistons, and on top of your intake valves and stems, and leak down your cylinder walls to really clean these areas well... then it says to start the motor back up to purge the remaining seafoam out your exhaust... my only concern with this would be that while it's sitting on top of your pistons, it might be thin enough to squeek down by our (notoriously week) piston rings and down into the crank case, which is what we were trying to avoid in the first place by running it through the pcv valve and straight into the manifold.

Edit: I stand corrected, apparently it's acceptable to run straight kerosene through your running motor.. but just like with anything else... don't rev your motor.

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ok so now that you guys have me complete afraid of running seafoam through my motor, what are your takes on ATF should i use that instead?

anyone else that has used seafoam please give me some info. how many miles did you have when you used it, did it leak, anything and everything will be greatly appricated
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I don't think running seafoam through your motor will be bad for it at all... I'm just saying that I PERSONALLY would change my small vacuum hose and PCV valve afterwards considering you can probably get both together for under 20 bucks and I don't know what seafoam will do to the life of rubber hoses/valves. And like I said... it's not that it'll make any NEW leaks, it would just reveal ones that might already be there (and are currently clogged up by sludge/gunk/etc..). Overall, I'd honestly feel safer running the seafoam than the ATF. Plus, there are lots of people out there who have nothing but good things to say about the occasional seafoam cleaning.
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My personal opinion from the start is just when you do your oil change. Substitute one motor oil quart for ATF fluid. If you really want a squeeky clean engine then just run 1/2 ATF 1/2 motor oil for a little bit like 30 min then do your normal oil change. But just 1 quart ATF at the oil change does a LOT. It's a noticable difference. WHen I had my 97 probe GT, the hydrolic lifters would squeek ever so slightly. Once I did the 1 quart ATF, they were gone...
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My personal opinion from the start is just when you do your oil change. Substitute one motor oil quart for ATF fluid. If you really want a squeeky clean engine then just run 1/2 ATF 1/2 motor oil for a little bit like 30 min then do your normal oil change. But just 1 quart ATF at the oil change does a LOT. It's a noticable difference. WHen I had my 97 probe GT, the hydrolic lifters would squeek ever so slightly. Once I did the 1 quart ATF, they were gone...
I know this is OT... but I had a 95 PGT... I loved that car. Best handling car I had ever driven (up until my Lude), and the small v6 delivered plenty of first gear torque... ah, I miss that car. Mazda does really make one helluva vehicle.
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lol that they do ;-) I owned a 93 GT and a 97 GT. It wasn't fast by any means, but it was quick, peppy, and a blasty to drive! Alright back to the topic haha Let us know what you choose to do bud
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