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Old 11-10-2007, 05:03 AM
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im lookin at skunk2 stage 1 for cams.i just have i/h/e in your opinion is this a good choice as apposed to brian crower or others. keep economy in mind too. i was wondering if better cams makes your vtec hit harder because thats what engages it. is there a noticable difference for that much money.
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i would go with brian crower, great products, never heard anything bad about them, and i think they're cheaper too...
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i would go with the Pro series stage 1 cam. Little bit harder to tune, but the advantages once it is tuned are great.

btw, you dont want vtec to "hit hard". When you feel vtec "hit hard" you actually have a loss of power at the crossover point. Vtec engagement should be smooth and should NOT BE FELT.

cams dont make vtec engage. Oil pressure pushes a pin located in the rocker arm to lock the middle rocker and essentially engage vtec.


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Old 11-12-2007, 05:57 PM
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Good point Blake.
Might I add, if you go anything past stage 1, you will need to get the valve train upgraded as well.

It'd be great if TEL would post a vid of his car to show the point about not feeling or even hearing VTEC.
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u need to upgrade the valvetrain regardless
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i'd go with brain crower also atleast thats what i'm ordering but im getting the stag 3 cams, valves, retainers, springs, and cam gears they are always reliable and you can never go wrong with them plus yea i also think they are cheaper
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i'd go with brain crower also atleast thats what i'm ordering but im getting the stag 3 cams, valves, retainers, springs, and cam gears they are always reliable and you can never go wrong with them plus yea i also think they are cheaper
just curious.....do you have any evidence that supports your statement? or are you just guessing that they are good?

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thats really wierd i always thought you were supposed to be able to feel it kick in. my main question was do you think they are worth the money if im kind of on a budget. and also is it a noticable gain if you ugrade your valvetrain or is that mostly for protection. i havent really looked into that.
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thats really wierd i always thought you were supposed to be able to feel it kick in. my main question was do you think they are worth the money if im kind of on a budget. and also is it a noticable gain if you ugrade your valvetrain or is that mostly for protection. i havent really looked into that.
In regards to the valvetrain, both, you can take your engine to higher rpm's, thus making more power.

Which cams are best for lower end power?
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thats really wierd i always thought you were supposed to be able to feel it kick in. my main question was do you think they are worth the money if im kind of on a budget. and also is it a noticable gain if you ugrade your valvetrain or is that mostly for protection. i havent really looked into that.
thats because you have prolly not been taught many things correctly....no offense.

what would a big kick feeling indicate? that you are going from a lower power to a higher power. the reason it isnt smooth is because the low cam runs out of power and then all the sudden vtec is an instant boost of power. Thats inefficient. The way to fix this dip is to drop the vtec crossover to the point just before the power drops off. That way there is no power drop between the vtec transition.
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In regards to the valvetrain, both, you can take your engine to higher rpm's, thus making more power.

Which cams are best for lower end power?
well, you have a 4 cylinder.....no matter what you do, you will never have a "low end". lol

there really is no best cam to tell you the truth.

i really love the Skunk2 pro series cams. As much as i dislike skunk2's intake manifold, their cams have absolutely amazed me. They have proven to be one of the top performers for the h22

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thats because you have prolly not been taught many things correctly....no offense.

what would a big kick feeling indicate? that you are going from a lower power to a higher power. the reason it isnt smooth is because the low cam runs out of power and then all the sudden vtec is an instant boost of power. Thats inefficient. The way to fix this dip is to drop the vtec crossover to the point just before the power drops off. That way there is no power drop between the vtec transition.
So, are you saying the kick you get from VTEC in an S2K is bad and should be changed? If you've ridden in one, you know what I'm talking about.
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So, are you saying the kick you get from VTEC in an S2K is bad and should be changed? If you've ridden in one, you know what I'm talking about.
if its an all the sudden burst of power....yes, that is bad.
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if its an all the sudden burst of power....yes, that is bad.
This is why a stock cammed H22 can benefit by lowering the VTEC crossover to 4200-4400rpm. Basically, it smooths the transition completely out, and for that 600-800rpm, can actually ADD power.............as much as 8-10 whp right before 5K rpm (where the stock VTEC engagement is).





I need to go get a VTEC controller..............
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This is why a stock cammed H22 can benefit by lowering the VTEC crossover to 4200-4400rpm. Basically, it smooths the transition completely out, and for that 600-800rpm, can actually ADD power.............as much as 8-10 whp right before 5K rpm (where the stock VTEC engagement is).





I need to go get a VTEC controller..............
have yet to see the need to drop it that low on a stock cam h22. Most times its around 4700.
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Ok Blake, seeing as you seem to know an ungodly amount, could the engine benefit (hp wise) from lowering the vtec crossover to that 4200-4400 point, or would it actually be hurting it.. Now I know that tuning should be done on a dyno, but in your opinion.
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Ok Blake, seeing as you seem to know an ungodly amount, could the engine benefit (hp wise) from lowering the vtec crossover to that 4200-4400 point, or would it actually be hurting it.. Now I know that tuning should be done on a dyno, but in your opinion.
it would only benefit you to set it that low if the low cam ran out of power at that rpm.
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ultimately. crower or skunk2(for mid to high). and are stage 1's really that much worse then stage 2's considering the price of valvetrain upgrading
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i'd go with brain crower also atleast thats what i'm ordering but im getting the stag 3 cams, valves, retainers, springs, and cam gears they are always reliable and you can never go wrong with them plus yea i also think they are cheaper
have you bought the stage 3 cams already? if so what compression ratio are you running? I hope not stock.
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Good point Blake.
Might I add, if you go anything past stage 1, you will need to get the valve train upgraded as well.

It'd be great if TEL would post a vid of his car to show the point about not feeling or even hearing VTEC.

yes a vid would be wnderful to prove Blake's point. I don't have a camercorder but ill see what I can do.


take'em to school Blake!

I'd like to add that oil pressure is the key for vtec.
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