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Old 07-03-2015, 05:04 AM
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Starter rebuild questions

On Tuesday, my starter finally crapped out on me, and i ended up needing to get my car towed 11 miles home. A friend of mine suggested it could just be a bad solenoid. At the same time another friend gave me his dead starter he just replaced as a sort of parts donor. I'm left with two problems right now:

1. I can't seem to pry the solenoids off either starter. They seem to be held on with a gasket.

2. His starter isn't stock. Since neither solenoid would come off, i thought about swapping my armature and brushes onto his gear housing and solenoid. Problem with that is since his starter isn't stock, the overrunning clutch assembly and armature shaft are different sizes. My shaft has 9 teeth while his has 12.

This is the page from the helm's manual so y'all know what i'm talking about

These are the armature shafts. Mine is on the left


The way i see it, the only way to make this work would be opening up both the gear housing covers (each of which is held by 3 impossibly tight screws), and swapping the overrunning clutch assemblies, but no guarantees...

Does anyone here have any experience tinkering with starters? Is it possible to even remove the solenoids?

I could always just buy another starter, but i couldn't pass up the chance to tinker with something and try and fix it myself.
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Re: Starter rebuild questions

The ole diy bug hit ya, aye. Good for you.

Now..refer to page 4-6 on testing the solenoid. If it's good, ...well you know.

I tinkered with Ford starters years ago. A Lincoln fit a Mustang fit an LTD, fit a Falcon etc...so junkyard starters were plentiful.
But a few years ago I swapped a starter on my sons car...it's how I discovered the mighty Honda and it's albeit cramped, but simple assembly.
I looked at the starter for 10 seconds and took it to a parts store to exchange it.

It seems only the H motor got that starter. You may contact Prelude1897 if you want a used one. I don't think he lurks lately, but I can let him know you're gonna pm him if you'd like.

Now getting those 'soft' and as you say impossibly tight screws off aint gonna be easy. A vice, and a breaker bar will be required. You may need a 1/2 drive bar and reduce to 3/8" drive for it's smaller sockets.
But looking at the diagram, there is a retainer that has to be removed. I'm at a dining room table and if I have a spare starter it's a mile away from me.
If you need your car now, go to a part store with the aftermarket one and swap for new. Call around first. But NAPA will have the best bang for your buck. Yet many stores have lifetime warranties and these starters are not that hard to swap out.

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Re: Starter rebuild questions

Found some remanufactured ones for $60 on ebay, that seems like the best deal. Napa wanted $150 for the solenoid alone, and $180 for the starter (not including a core charge).

Unrelated but i also have a radiator hose leak, too. Was thinking about some colorful silicone OBX hoses, but i heard more negative things than positives about them so i'm going with Gates Racing. Any suggestions, bykfixer? I'm sure you've replaced plenty of hoses in your day
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Re: Starter rebuild questions

Vibrant Performance has silicone hoses at great prices.
They sell 'em by the foot (such as 5' or 10' etc) so they are not custom bent.
I use oem for my honda cars but the Gates that part stores sell are fine.

Check your pinch clamps too. They fail after a while...so keep that in mind while at the Parts store. Plus they are way easier to install/uninstall with an 8mm ratchet in tight spots vs trying to get your channel locks in there.

I bought a bulk box of screw type at Harbor Freight for like $8 for 100 various sized.
Some day Ima buy a bulk box of pinch type from fastenall to keep that oem look vs buying them $2-3 each from Honda.
On the 91 we're doing all original, part of the process is to replace every screw type clamp with pinch type in those deep/dark caverns of the 3g engine bay.

I'd pay the extra $ for a starter from say auto zone/advance as they have lifetime warranties..so you can take the greasy sob back, plunk it on the counter and say "gimme another one"... But if ya aint got the dough, ya aint got the dough...I get that.
Me personally I'd probably buy the NAPA one because it's made using oem stuff...where Honda wants $700 for oem. But my prelude is a pure fun car...so if my starter breaks and I aint got $180, it stays broke until I do.

Finally, if you do go part store route on the starter, turn in the after market one as the core and keep plugging away at disassembling your oem one...whut-the-heck..it's already broke, right?
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Re: Starter rebuild questions

Funny you say that, i accidentally bent a terminal on my buddy's starter, so now it's even more messed up
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Re: Starter rebuild questions

Bought a remanufactured starter, and swapped it in last Tuesday, and everything was going great until today, when my car had the same problem again and didn't start for 10+ minutes despite me tapping the starter. I'm gonna check the main starter cut relay tomorrow, but i'll be fudge-ing PISSED if this starter is fudged too.
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