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Engine issues and advise needed

Hey all,

I have been doing some reading and research for a while before I decided to post. I wanted to ask a few questions regarding my 97 Prelude. I purchased the car back in April of this year and was super impressed with the quality of it.

I did a compression a few months after I purchased the car and it wasn't so great. All of my cylinders were above 185ish except for cyl 2. It was down around 100 psi or so. The car ran fine like that clear up until we started getting cold weather. Now it will NOT start no matter what I do. I have tried using starting fluid, new plugs cap and rotor ect. The only way it will start now is if someone pulls my car up the road and I start it in gear. So basically my daily is down and I need to get it running again. Preferably the cheapest way possible.

Here are my CEL codes

p1491
p0301 cyl 1 misfire
p0304 cyl 4
p0302 cyl 2
p1300
p1399
p1491

After reading up on those codes they are all basically misfire codes and or EGR codes. When the car does fire up I head a good bit of lifter tick then after warm it goes away. The previous owner also deleted the Idle air valve for warm up. I think its purely mechanical from what I have seen.

From what I have read basically all of those codes are being thrown because of that 1 cylinder being low on compression minus the EGR stuff.

I am under the assumption I will be basically needing to rebuild or buy and drop in a used engine. I would rather not get into a rebuild if I don't have too. I just kind of want to drop something in and go. I had seen on ebay the 2.3l jdm engines going for 5-700$ and I wasn't sure if that was a good route to go or not. I have read up on the swap and it seems straight forward enough.

Suggestions thoughts, Ideas?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Engine issues and advise needed

If starting fluid don't get her to spirt out a little bit of go you have a basic issue. Fire, fuel or air. Probably not air.
Remove the plate blocking the iacv. ie reactivate that. That things is an idle/air/control/valve. It tells your computer to send extra fuel to the intake until the water that circulates past it is warm, and then tones down the air/fuel mixture and lowers your idle from warm up to idle.

Simply swapping parts is not the solution. You say pulling it makes go. Bump start in other words. Pull your plugs to see if they are soaked in fuel. Probably are. Especially the one that has 100psi compression. Then do some diagnostic stuff if you can to see why you don't get the basic fire or fuel. If you can, bump start it and drive to a trusty shop. Not some big name shop or some guy who has 25 hour towing on a sign out front. But somebody your friends, family, a neighbor reccomends.
That lifter sounds indicates you have a valve issue and that may be all that's wrong. But dry off those plugs or use fresh ones before you work on it any further. Wet plugs will cause the engine to not start in many cases. It's called 'flooded.'
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Re: Engine issues and advise needed

Thank you for the reply. I will not be taking my car or any of the other 3 to a garage to get worked on. I have been repairing my own cars for the last 10 yrs and have 10-15 engine builds under my belt.

The plugs are getting flooded as far as I can tell. I am aware of what and IAC valve does. I am assuming the previous owner deleted it because it failed so I will not be installing that one. I can get a new one but I find it hard to believe that it is throwing that much fuel I cannot start the car. I have tried new plugs with starting fluid and the injectors firing. It won't start. I have tried unplugging the injectors, cleaning all the plugs. Giving it a little starting fluid. It will try to chug for a second but never takes off no matter how much fluid I use.

I went and talked to a local Honda/performance shop. They have a certified Honda Tech who plays with H series in his spare time and he is saying I need a rebuild or another engine. Which I believe is to be true. I will try to do a leak down test on my low cylinder to see if it is bottom end or top end.

This car was my daily I liked having a little fun in. I do not have much time off work so I am wondering if I should rebuild or just swap in another H22a or just sell. Cash is a little tight right now. I know of a guy selling a EURO R swap for 1100$ for the engine. Not sure with the trans.
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Re: Engine issues and advise needed

If cash is tight and you have wheels to get to work, park the car and go about life until cash aint tight.

At 100psi that single cylinder shouldn't be dragging down the other 3.
I had one with 2 gone bad where one was 35, the other 40. It still started and ran.
Check your electricity to the injectors. Make sure they get the zap they need.
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Re: Engine issues and advise needed

I never liked just dropping in a replacement engine. Why? because the replacement might not be any better than the one you have. There is a reason it's not in a car...... If you take the time to check out the replacement engine you might as well have rebuilt your own. If you rebuild your engine you will know everything that is wrong or right before you put all the work into re-installing it in the car.

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^^ I agree whole heartedly.

The swap thing vs pay for proper hone, buy all new parts and pay someone to assemble your new pile of parts is such an easy choice to the low budget crowd. Probably 75% or more youngsters want to spend a thousand bucks to get going again.

My son did it. To do it proper would have taken a long long time. So I threw some benjamins into his project and assisted in the process to ensure the car could be dependable for a few years.

And the first start had me a little nervous knowing we'd put so much time and money into installing a used engine. I think I was more stoked upon first start than he was for three reasons.
1) my car had been waiting months for it's turn for much needed tlc
2) our real nice 91was sitting outside the 1 bay garage while the motor was being swapped into the 2001
3) it was a used engine.
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