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Need advice asap!!!

I need some advice. Skip to the last paragraph for the question if you don't want to read my paragraph or two of some venting. lol.

I currently have my engine out of my car. Long story why. Was only going to be a timing belt change, but the guy that was helping me dropped the valve cover nuts with the valve cover off, and after searching for 2 hours, we still couldn't find one of them anywhere. Which led us to beleive 1 of 4 things happened. 1. It dropped somewhere behind the engine that we can't see or get to with the engine in. 2. It fell into the timing belt area. 3. It fell into the transmission bellhousing. (the plug is missing for this car.) Or 4, the worst of them all. It fell into the engine's oil drain holes in the cylinder head. But right now I don't want to even think about that one...

We took the engine out to see if it bounced somewhere behind the engine. We still couldn't find it. So we decided to pull the timing belt cover off to see if the nut was in there, and so we could change the timing belt.

But we ran into a problem. The crankshaft pulley bolt is NOT coming out, no matter what I try. I have a very powerful electric impact (400 + lb-ft) and I tried that, and it didn't work. Then I took out my 1/2" drive air impact and tried that. No go. Then I turned up the pressure to the gun to 160 psi. Still no go!!! I'm now thinking about borrowing a bigger impact gun (3/4" drive or 1" drive, with over 1,000 lb-ft of torque), or maybe getting out my 1.5" drive breaker bar and socket set and using a cheater pipe to get the crank bolt out, like some guys say they do in the threads that I found on here regarding this. But I'm a little worried. I don't want to break the bolt off in the crank with all the torque. Has anyone here ever had this happen? Also, I have a feeling I'm going to have a hard time holding the engine down since it's just laying on the floor right now. Any advice or thoughts?
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Re: Need advice asap!!!

Go to ebay or amazon and buy a honda pulley holder.
Then use a 6 point impact socket, a piece of steel pipe at least 3' long hooked onto your breaker bar and that should break it loose.

While you wait for the pulley grabber to arrive let pb50 or your favorite penetrating oil be soaking into the threads.

A telescoping magnet may help you find the missing screws. The smaller the better for probing in small areas. Always, always, always have an assortment of telescoping magnets handy while doing motor work... in or out if the car.

Yes those bolts do break off sometimes. Repeated heating or banging with a hammer or even too much impact abuse...

I've not done a honda motor, but on others I soak the bolt with wd 40, let set over night, give the screw a few decent (not hard) whacks with a rubber mallet, and used the breaker bar/pipe with success. The mallet thing is to release any bond rust may have caused in the threads.
In the car there aint much room for the mallet, but out of the car like yours, don't get carried away... hit it like you like it, not hate it.
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Re: Need advice asap!!!

Especially with the engine outta the car, pretty much the only ways of preventing the motor from turning when you're trying to loosen the crank pulley bolt are;
-honda crank pulley holder
-honda (or DIY) clutch holder, but this will require you taking the tranny off the block
-shoving as much as you can of the thickest possible rope that'll fit down the spark plug hole into the cylinder (but you could POTENTIALLY bend some valves with this method if you do it on the wrong stroke)


Crank pulley bolts have never been a problem for me with my setup; crank pulley holder, with 1/2" breaker bar + 6' steel pipe cheater bar.
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To check if it fell into the transmission- simply remove the transmission brace. If it fell down there it will either fall out or be visible sitting on the bottom of the housing.


Drain the oil. Get one of those extendable magnetic sticks from your local hardware store and start fishing around the head.

As long as your spark plugs were still installed - use a flashlight and look in the tubes and you'll knock out the option of them falling into the compression chamber.
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Sorry, can't say anything, still wrapping my thoughts around the possibility of metal bolts pinballin around in the head.

That's bananas. Good luck
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Re: Need advice asap!!!

3/4 impact should yank it right off, most of the time they come right off with my 1/2 inch impact. but some stubborn ones require the 3/4 and then you'll just have to stabilize the motor instead of man handling it with the breaker bar. just dont put bolt back in with 3/4 impact
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Sorry, can't say anything, still wrapping my thoughts around the possibility of metal bolts pinballin around in the head.

That's bananas. Good luck
I'm with you on that one, sorry bro got nothing! I've had similar things happen so I can empathise with you, but damn sonnnnn
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Re: Need advice asap!!!

yeah, I was able to get the pulley off with a 3/4 impact, after letting it hammer for two minutes. I've never seen a bolt that stubborn before. I'm ordering a crank pulley tool to hold it when I re tighten the pulley when I put the car back together.

I pulled the trans off to check the clutch out and check to see if the nut was in there, and it wasn't. But I did find out something else I'm not happy about at all. When i went to drain the transmission before pulling the axles, the transmission had no fluid drain out when I pulled the drain plug. And I mean NOTHING. The plug had some rtv on it, which led me to believe it leaks for some reason. And when I tipped the transmission with the plug in, the transmission fluid that was left in the trans started leaking out around the plug. And it wasn't a slow leak. It was pretty bad. Now I gotta figure out what to do there....

And I still haven't found the nut yet. Going to be draining the oil and checking the oil for the nut. If it's not there, I've borrowed a video borescope from a friend and I'll check down the oil drain back passages and through the oil drain hole in the oil pan. Hopefully I find it....
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I'd replace the crank pulley bolt... just me, but after beating on it with a 3/4 impact for 2 minutes?....
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