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Car died..jump..still dead. Starter?

Okay so I went to my girlfriends house around 7 and when I left at 9 my car wouldn't start. So I treated it like I left a light on or something stupid like that. So I pull my girlfriends car around to jump it and it's all hooked up right but still my car won't start. When I turn the key to the on position everything is working. My stereo turns on, all the bulbs turn on and it's fine, so my battery has a charge but won't start my car. I've never had problems starting my car unless my battery was just dead, my starter has never given me problems. Please give me some ideas, I need my lude up and running.
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Re: Car died..jump..still dead. Starter?

Will it bump start?
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Re: Car died..jump..still dead. Starter?

Nope. That's why I think it's the starter but usually when your starter goes out it's kind of a gradual thing, isn't it? Like it gets harder to start as time goes but then it just doesn't start...but my car has been starting fine but now it won't even turn over.
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but usually when your starter goes out it's kind of a gradual thing, isn't it? Like it gets harder to start as time goes but then it just doesn't start...
Nope that's the symptom of a bad battery, where it gets weaker and weaker, making it start slower and slower.
Give the starter a couple light taps with a hammer, sometimes the contacts get frozen, which the hammer free's up.

Also what year car? 5G's have a known ignition switch problem as well.
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97. My battery is brand new, maybe a month old. So I'll check the starter today
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I had a cable connector to battery terminal issue a while ago. Gave us all kinds of crazy symptoms along with killing two alternators in a week. Suffice to say, sanding down the cable end where it hooks to the battery post, and the contact point the aftermarket terminals hooked to cables solved the mystery.

Btw, car no bump start indicates you still have an electrical issue. They can bump with a busted starter.
You get what I mean by bump start? Roll it with key on, in gear, with clutch depressed, get about 3'/second speed and pop the clutch. Only time bump start hasn't worked for me is when electricity was not available through the charging system/battery.
But like V6 said, could be that pesky ignition switch failure 5g cars were plagued with. Especially the 97/98 series.

Sometimes the starter solenoid sticks. A couple of whacks like he said may get it going. And that is a sudden onset.

Once I had a battery 3 weeks and returned it due to a dead cell.. maybe 3 months... anyway it was new.
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I'll have to bump start it to get it home then. I forget what it's called in the U.S...I'm assuming you're European considering the 3'/second thing. Correct me if I'm wrong?
Anyway thanks for the advice. I'll have to do that to get it home if I can't get it unstuck by tapping it with a hammer. When doing that, how hard should I tap it? Obviously not enough to smash the crap out of it but approximately how hard should I tap it?
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Not like you hate it. Not like it's an eggshell. Somewhere in between.
Maybe about as hard as it would take to fracture an ice cube.

When I say about 3' per second I mean fast enough you can still jump into the car and go if you are pushing it alone. It'll roll 30-40' if you stopped pushing. Assuming you are on level ground of course.

Once I bump started my truck alone. Put the key in 'on' position, put it in nuetral, push to nearly jog speed, jump in, put it in 1st with clutch depressed, let off clutch, and after the third 'bump' of the clutch it had not started. I sanded the cable terminals and posts and BAM... started up like normal.
Posts appeared fine is why the bump start attempt. But obviously they didn't make good contact.
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Crazy thought.....

How about you use a multi meter and test the voltage? Once with the car off, and once with the car running - when/if you do...
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Crazy thought.....

How about you use a multi meter and test the voltage? Once with the car off, and once with the car running - when/if you do...
I already have. It was charging fine and the battery was fine. It's the starter. My dad told me that he used to turn the key to on and connect a bolt on the solenoid with a bolt on the starter with the dipstick and it would create a spark and realign everything or something like that. I did it and it worked. It also didn't start up again as I was parked in front of Jiffy lube to get my inspection done and I did the same thing and it worked. So I guess I'll invest in a new starter.
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Not like you hate it. Not like it's an eggshell. Somewhere in between.
Maybe about as hard as it would take to fracture an ice cube.

When I say about 3' per second I mean fast enough you can still jump into the car and go if you are pushing it alone. It'll roll 30-40' if you stopped pushing. Assuming you are on level ground of course.

Once I bump started my truck alone. Put the key in 'on' position, put it in nuetral, push to nearly jog speed, jump in, put it in 1st with clutch depressed, let off clutch, and after the third 'bump' of the clutch it had not started. I sanded the cable terminals and posts and BAM... started up like normal.
Posts appeared fine is why the bump start attempt. But obviously they didn't make good contact.
I would have done that but my car was parked on a main road that is always busy. But I got it going so whatever works I guess haha
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could be your alternator...

if its bad, it will drain your battery dead, and sometimes will completely kill the battery... you say you got a battery a month ago? thats probably the reason. swap with a known good battery, try starting, if it doesnt start, look more into your starter. if it starts, disconnect the negative battery cable with the car running. when you do, it will either stay running fine(alternator fine), or your engine will stall, (alternator is bad.)

the reason is because you use the battery to start your car, and then it runs off the alternator, and the alternator also charges the battery at that time. so the test i gave you does this:
the car needs electrical power in order to run. it will get it from one of two sources, when already started. your battery or alternator.

so if your alternator is bad, than your car will solely run off your battery until it dies because the alternator isnt charging the battery either. so when you remove that negative cable, it opens the circuit from the battery to your engine, and wont produce any spark, unless the alternator is operating properly and producing the spark.... get it?
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I would have done that but my car was parked on a main road that is always busy. But I got it going so whatever works I guess haha
I hear ya!!!
Glad you got it going.... forgot about the cross connect the solenoid trick..
Used to use a screwdriver because it never dawned on us to use a dipstick...

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could be your alternator...

if its bad, it will drain your battery dead, and sometimes will completely kill the battery... you say you got a battery a month ago? thats probably the reason. swap with a known good battery, try starting, if it doesnt start, look more into your starter. if it starts, disconnect the negative battery cable with the car running. when you do, it will either stay running fine(alternator fine), or your engine will stall, (alternator is bad.)
He said he tested the battery and alternator - it's charging fine. Issue appears to be the starter.


And an easier way to test the battery and alternator is with the car off- the battery shouldn't drop below 10v DC. With the car running, it should have 12-14v DC. Not sure why you would go through the trouble of disconnecting things etc...
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To some people it's easier to do so when they ready own a wrench and can't afford to run out and buy a multimeter...
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My mechanic tells me it's bad, bad bad for the alternator on these newer cars to remove the cable while it's running.

That used to be the way to know if your alternator is good or bad.
But apparently there is some sort of symbiosis between the battery and the alternator. And when that connection is broken while the car is running spikes that would normally be cushioned by the battery are no longer absorbed and can kill a regulator.. or something like that.

Sometimes he talks in Einstein so I don't quite grasp it all. And then it bounces around my head a few seconds and gets lost in all my 70's dead brain cells somewhere.

These days many auto parts stores will test your system at no charge.
Heck buy some oil from them while your there... you drive a Honda. Sooner or later you'll need some.
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My mechanic tells me it's bad, bad bad for the alternator on these newer cars to remove the post while it's running.

That used to be the way to know if your alternator is good or bad.
But apparently there is some sort of symbiosis between the battery and the alternator. And when that connection is broken while the car is running spikes that would normally be cushioned by the battery are no longer absorbed and can kill a regulator.. or something like that.

Sometimes he talks in Einstein so I don't quite grasp it all. And then it bounces around my head a few seconds and gets lost in all my 70's dead brain cells somewhere.

These days many auto parts stores will test your system at no charge.
Heck buy some oil from them while your there... you drive a Honda. Sooner or later you'll need some.
I think the easiest way to test your charging system is turning on your lights and the lights inside your car (name slipped my mind this morning) when your car is off. Then turn your car on and all the lights should get brighter because of the extra 2 volts the alternator is producing. It may not be the most efficient way to test your alternator, but its a good spur of the moment test.

haha but I guess my dad had to do what I did to start my car to his every day for a month until he could afford a new solenoid....this was 36 years ago. He only got $1.60 an hour
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I think the easiest way to test your charging system is turning on your lights and the lights inside your car (name slipped my mind this morning) when your car is off. Then turn your car on and all the lights should get brighter because of the extra 2 volts the alternator is producing. It may not be the most efficient way to test your alternator, but its a good spur of the moment test.

haha but I guess my dad had to do what I did to start my car to his every day for a month until he could afford a new solenoid....this was 36 years ago. He only got $1.60 an hour
You learn some $hit when you make $1.60/hr!!!
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How many more "my car don't start" threads we gonna have? 1 diagnose tree is all you need
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Update...so I'm pretty positive my solenoid is going out but today in my way home from school my car just shut off while I was driving. I've read a couple threads about it and it's saying it's my ignition switch. Could both the problems be my ignition switch? Or do I need to replace both the solenoid and my ignition switch?
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Update...so I'm pretty positive my solenoid is going out but today in my way home from school my car just shut off while I was driving. I've read a couple threads about it and it's saying it's my ignition switch. Could both the problems be my ignition switch? Or do I need to replace both the solenoid and my ignition switch?


Solenoid? What solenoid?


Shutting off while driving is a typical ignition switch issue.

When you attempt to start the car, sometimes the green key will continue to flash vs go away - that's another ignition switch sign. Although shutting off while driving is usually the big sign. Replace it or have honda do it if the car is a 97-98 (recall)
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Starter solenoid. My car won't start for **** lately. I know for sure it's the starter solenoid but now my ignition switch is going out.
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[QUOTE=wing8806;Replace it or have honda do it if the car is a 97-98 (recall)[/QUOTE]

It's a 97..I've never dealt with a recall before, should I just call a dealership and see if my car is eligible?
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It's a 97..I've never dealt with a recall before, should I just call a dealership and see if my car is eligible?
Yes. Have your vin number ready and let them know you are having ignition switch issues and you're unsure if it's been taken care of.


There is a list of service bulletins around here with all of the things that can and will fail due to a production issue. Ignition switch being on of them.
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AllData - Technical Service Bulletins

This^^ is the list Wings spoke of. All items are listed. But only a portion of the wording for each item listed is there. To get the entire 'wording' you have to subscribe.
Thank the folks at Honda-Tech for it.
It was enough words to tell me what to expect to go wrong with my 5th gen car.

You think they'd pay the towing Wings, or is that on op if it is a recall item?
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