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Hey Guys!

This is my first post on this forum!

I just bought a 1997 Prelude SH with 77k on it. During my test drive everything was great, no noises or anything else. During the drive home however it developed a few issues that maybe you guys can help me with.

A chattering noise developed that initially only sounded when I would steer left or right, but as I got closer to home it developed into chattering all the time. It's coming from the accessory area on the right side of the engine. I suspect it's coming from the power steering pump.

I didn't notice at first, but the odometer is... well it's broken . Is that something a Honda dealer can fix or replace without messing with the mileage? (That might be fabricated anyway with it being broken and all)

The most serious problem right now is the ignition doesn't work 100%. I can only start it if I put the key in "just so" before turning it. I think the cylinder just needs to be replaced.

Should I have these issues addressed at a Honda dealer or a normal mechanic? Or are they something I can address at home? (I like doing my own maintanence)

Overall I'm really happy with her, she drives great and is rock solid on the highway.

Thanks for any help you can provide!
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Re: Just Bought, Has a few issues

The ignition switch not working unless the key is just so is pretty common. A dealer would be a good place for that since the imobilizer is involved.

The chattering could be ps pump pulley. Easy part to replace if you have some tools. Or just replace the whole pump and rebuild your old one to have around when needed later.

The broken odo. That sux!!! Wonder if they broke it turning it back?

Search majestichonda.com for the parts. 30% less than the dealer price.
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Re: Just Bought, Has a few issues

Thanks bykfixer!

Yeah I called the dealer I bought it from today, they told me that the odo was working when they bought it from auction. So they might be straight lying to me, or it could be stuck from sitting...

Can a normal mechanic fix the ignition switch issue?
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Re: Just Bought, Has a few issues

I'm suspecting a used car dealership? More cars come out of them with problems than they do off the street.... It's hard to find a trustworthy one. Or at least in my area.

Did you check the oil? The chattering noise can very well be being cause by your valves slapping due to oil starvation in the head. But hopefully like you said, it's the ps pump...

Odometer being broken, that means it might not really have 77k on it... It could be at 200k for all you know.

Check with your dealer as far as the ignition switch goes. Give them your vin and see if you have a recall to use, not 100% cause I don't follow 5th gen stuff often, but I think that was a recall for your year... Look it up cause if it hasn't been fixed before, then they could fix it for free
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Re: Just Bought, Has a few issues

id have the dealership tell you everything thats wrong with it and then replace it yourself if thats what you like to do
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Re: Just Bought, Has a few issues

You probably need the accessories belt tightened. Broken ODOs always raise red flags with me. Have you checked the fluid colors, the valve train (open the oil cap and look in with a flash light) for sludge and deposits.

The key can only be programmed with Honda, and you need the Red Key. (If i remember right) as far as a bad ingition tumbler is concerned.

Hopefully my cynicisms are not well founded.
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Re: Just Bought, Has a few issues

You're a cynical mutha fudger ... sheesh.

Imobilizer 101.
Your car when new had a black (chipped) key, a gray valet key for limited access by a ... valet. And a red key that contains the secret code for your particular ignition swith operated imobilizer.
The imobilizer stops the car from starting if the code from the key does not match the code of the imobilizer. Sound? I dunno. Just know that without your code, your car will not start.

When the eventual ignition failure occurs the dealer or locksmith who has the proper equipment uses the red key to program the new ignition imobilizer to match your key. If you want a spare made to unlock your doors, most dealers will not cut that key these days without the red key. They say their key cutter computer won't cut the key. However a locksmith can cut you a door key if he uses a manual machine to do it.

So if you do not have a red key, they charge you to reprogram the ignition switch when they replace it.
Both dealer and locksmith. That ranges in my area $500-600. Then they charge $125 per key to have keys made to match your new red key.

The recall is only for when the ignition has not been replaced already and if you don't have your old red key, refer back to previous paragraph.

So what did we learn?
1) you can put out a shload of money
2) you can get used to having to wiggle your key just so to start the car.
Guess which one I picked? You will get used to it and it becomes second nature after a few days.
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Pretty much got flamed for driving like a jackass and was told to slow down. And I'll be damned, slowing down fixed it.

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Re: Just Bought, Has a few issues

Been on the plus side and neg side of car purchases, if at least I know i gotta put the work in i'm not mad. One car i bought the owner sneaked by me a hacked car harness, he got working enough for me not to notice. Changing a blown fuse revealed the horror. The ngine bay was clean, car started right up, got the right gas mileage, and emissions were on the money. Electrical shorts everywhere. Donated to charity.
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Re: Just Bought, Has a few issues

Thanks everyone for the replies!

The car is currently at a local mechanic that I know for the starting issue, chattering, and odometer.

If it's going to cost that much to replace and reprogram new keys, I may ask them not to do that...

Since the mileage may vary a large amount from the indicated mileage, what maintanence should I perform right away?

I'm planning on changing the oil and tires. Anything else?
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Check the timing belt before the tires. If the odo number is accurate it needed changing at. 60k miles. If it isn't accurate, have the mechanic check it for peace of mind.
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Re: Just Bought, Has a few issues

X2 on the tbelt and water pump.
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Re: Just Bought, Has a few issues

Right, good idea on the timing belt and water pump.

They also found that the exhaust is rusted out and leaking. So looks like I'll be getting a new exhaust. I'll do that myself though, any recomendations? Might as well be aftermarket :)
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