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Suicide door conversions?

I know its a lil out of left field for a lude forum but I also know that there are a lot of smart people here. Anyway... I am a paraplegic in a wheelchair and am thinking about getting a 4 door honda ad was wondering if any one has done a rear suicide door conversion. Its not for looks.... ts to make it easy to put my chair in the back seat from sitting sideways in the driver seat. I had an Rx8 that made this very easy for me... BUT the upkeep on that car was to much for me and sadly i had to sell it. basicly... Im wondering how much a shop should charge me to have it done. On just the drivers side rear door. Any help or links to another site that might be of more help would be great. Thanks
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Re: Suicide door conversions?

You mean converting like an accord or civic with 4 doors? Or adding a back suicide door to your prelude? If you were changing a 4door like a civic or accord sedan, id imagine it just includes changing the door handles/hinges and fabricating a mechanism for the handles.

If you are trying to put a back door on the prelude, that might be a little more difficult

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Re: Suicide door conversions?

yes... A civic or accord. Also, I wouldnt be able to do the work myself....so Im wondering a ball park figure on geting it done. I would imagine just getting a "popper" installed would be cheaper than changing the door handles. However I saw a nice 5th gen prelude that already has some nice work done to it and im curious to see if someone could post a picture of one with the seat slid all the way forward and the back of the seat folded towards the front. My chair folds down to about 9 inches wide and im wondering if i could slide it in the back while sitting on the front seat.
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Re: Suicide door conversions?

wouldnt this be even more easier in that case?



or this



but yeah. enough money and everything is possible

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However I saw a nice 5th gen prelude that already has some nice work done to it and im curious to see if someone could post a picture of one with the seat slid all the way forward and the back of the seat folded towards the front. My chair folds down to about 9 inches wide and im wondering if i could slide it in the back while sitting on the front seat.
sorry but I dont think that prelude is the right car for you. its pretty hard someone to sit in the back (or even get there) even if the front seats are slid forward (definetly you cant drive it anymore if something is behind the drivers seat and you cant adjust it where you want to).

its kinda like crx, back seats are just for "show" and where you can put some groceries
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Re: Suicide door conversions?

HOW DARE you post my dream car! lol. jk man.Thanks for my new wallpaper! I have about 8k to spend. Maybe I could also get a loan for a extra 5k (most im willing to take on at the moment. Gulwing (butterfly?) doors are cool but not what is easy for me. I really need a suicide rear door ( rear door opens backward). Because I transfer into the drivers seat with my legs still outside the car and then can fold down chair and pass it onto the back seats. It was really easy to do in my rx8. rx8s are a bitch to mod tho and the cost of ownership is super high. Had to sell it.
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Re: Suicide door conversions?

I keep trying to find cars that come standard like that. The only ones I can think of are rx8 and older Saturn ion.

Search Google for suicide door conversion. There are lots of how to and supply websites. I'd post links but its a pain to copy and paste on my phone
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Re: Suicide door conversions?

Honda Element. It has a form of suicide doors.



it already has a K24 in there but its the one that only makes 166hp, but you could drop a legit TSX/Accord K24 in there with 200hp and turbo/supercharge it later on for more power. Lower it a couple inches...and it'll be fun.
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Re: Suicide door conversions?

Thanks man. Yea...its pretty much the rx8 or that saturn that come stock. Or some trucks. The mazda5 would work also because it has a sliding door on the drivers side. That is still to close to a minivan... although a LITLE more stylish. I have found plenty of suicide door kits online. I just cant weld or do bodywork in my condition very easily. Need to find a shop around me that can do the work but all of them that I have called dont want to touch it
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Re: Suicide door conversions?

From a fabrication stand-point, it would be alottttt easier to take a regular sedan/4-door, convert the rear door to suicide, and "possibly" completely remove the B-pillar to give you access to put your wheelchair in the rear seat. But taking out the B-pillar removes structural integrity from the chassis, so to strengthen the chassis back up, possibly put some sort of a roll cage inside the car. Or at least some hoops that run up from the front of the car, up to the roof, to the back of the car, with minimal braces where the doors go, cuz that would interfere with your access.



Whereas adding a third door to a coupe, you won't be simply removing a B-pillar, you'd be cutting ALOTT out of the unibody chassis, if there's even enough room behind the rear of the front door, to the rear wheels. Than you'd hafta add; a hinge, handle, lock mechanism, door seals, place to mount door seals, figure out what to do w/ the quarter glass, its in close proximity to the gas door/filler neck....







Orrrrr the element/mazda5 like you're thinking about.
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Re: Suicide door conversions?

i have mixes feelings on this. done right i think it will look cool but i dont think its worth spending 5k on that when you can do alot more with 5k

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Re: Suicide door conversions?

Maybe utilizing the rear door of a ranger, s-10 etc as the framework and have a portion of the prelude behind the seat removed. A bunch of fabrication would need to happen for the prelude window to fit.
But whatever you do, how crashworthy will it be from a side impact? How water tight can it be without custom made moldings?

H3ll if the $ are enough you can turn a bluejay into a cardinal. But will it fly?

Have you considered a sliding door like on a minivan? Essentially you could use the hunk of body you cut out as the door, have a track carved into the rear quarter, weld pieces and parts from a minivan door to said hunk of body removed. Modify the bottom area where a rear door sill plate would be with a minivan door track.. etc etc
Hmm..

How about a captains chair for your seat? The swivel kind like in camper vans modified to a prelude seat. I had a friend who's 77 monte carlo had them. Back seat access was a breeze..
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Re: Suicide door conversions?

Just to be clear. I am NOT planning on adding a third door on a lude. Could be cool but way to much money than I have to spend. I was just curious to see what it looks like ( with a picture of a members car perhaps :hint:hint) with the door slid all the way forward and the back of the seat pushed forward a bit. Enough that you could still sit in the seat. I know its hard to understand/explain. Think about trying to pass a 3.5' by 3.5' by 9'' box into the back seat from outside the car while sitting in the front seat. I heard from a paraplegic girl that she was able to do this on her Honda accord couple because it had really long doors. I am considering doing a suicide door conversion on a 4 door car and there is no need for me to remove the B?..A? (always get those confused) as I am able to get my chair onto the back seat on a friends car without any problem with just a suicide door. He got his done down in miami and I live 8 hours away. I just need to find a specialty shop that does that kind of thing somewhere near me ( Gainesville Fl). It doesnt seem like that hard of a job for someone who does autobody work and knows how to weld. It doesnt have to be the prettiest job. I dont need the handles shaved or internal mechanism reversed. Just a remote "popper" installed. IF ANY OF YOU KNOW someone who does that kind of work in North central Florida, please let me know. or if you know someone or have had a suicide door done before what was the price you payed. Im hoping to be able to get it done for between 500 to 700 for one door. Does that seem unrealistic?
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Re: Suicide door conversions?

Ahhh I gotcha, you confused me when you started talkin about civics/accords/4 doors.

Someone go help this guy out!
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Re: Suicide door conversions?

You're paraplegic, yet you're looking into what cool cars can accommodate your wheelchair?

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Re: Suicide door conversions?

The 9" part wouldn't be a problem if the seat is slid forward all the way in a 5th gen prelude. Can't say that about the others. I can sit in the car, have cooler in hand, place cooler behind me and slide the seat back in my 97. 6pack cooler is like 8" wide and tries to snag the rear seat. The 3.5' tall on the other hand could be an issue unless you remove the backseat leg part. The backseats are just for insurance or something and serve little use for regular size people anyway.
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Sorry I don't know if it was said yet or not, but the Hyundai Veloster has a suicide read door, although I think its on the passenger side.
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Phantom240 , Thanks Man. You would be surprised what you can do, when you have no other choice. Well.... could easily drive a minivan with a drivers side sliding door like I am now. I friggin hate it tho. I was very active with mountain biking, snowboarding and skateboarding before I got shot. So driving (fast and controlled ) is one of the few adrenaline fixes that I can still get. I loved my rx8, it was very easy to get my chair in the back seat and it was fun to drive....for the most part. Sadly it is a PITA and very expensive to do mods to the car and you get very little horse power gains from most mods compared to most cars. Add, that it naturally drinks about a quart of oil every 1k miles and needs at least 1500-2000 dollars in maintenance every 30k miles and you have a very high maintenance vehicle. I miss my 96 maxima se. (pre injury) It was comfortable, fast out of the box and you got good gains from easy and cheap mods. If I could get a decent 2000 Maxima and get a suicide rear door conversion and the start modding it = I would be stoked. I have also been looking at a lexus IS300 with a @jc swap in it. Guess Ill join a maxima forum and see if i can get any help or suggestions from those with 4 doors. Ill keep checking back here tho as I can tell there is a lot of knowledge among the members. Peace
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Ryevin Thanks for the heads up. I have not heard of the veloster before. Just checked it out and yea it have a third door on the passenger side. Which doesnt really help because its on the wrong side. Plus, It looks like its just a normal door with a hidden door handle. Not suicide type door that opens in reverse. It does have a dual clutch type "tiptronic" which from what I have read is better Than an electric controlled torque converter.
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I love the '02 model Maxima, with the SE package in 6speed.
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and very expensive to do mods to the car and you get very little horse power gains from most mods compared to most cars.
with h22 you get almost no gains from most mods
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