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Good power for a daily driver

I am about to deploy and i am looking into building my motor(98 with an h22a4). Now what kind of power can i reliably run N/A vs turbo? Also i am looking into rods, sleves and pistons wither way. I want about 350-375 hp boosted or round 275- 300 n/a. Are these goals realistic? I want to be able to keep it as much of a daily driver as i can. Any thoughts on this? Any recomendations on a setup, tuner, turbo, and who can tune hondata round the syracuse ny area? I am kinda new to honda game. Carbed small block v8s and whay ive.delt with in the past.
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Re: Good power for a daily driver

250whp 275wtq was alotttttttt of fun


The main question is; How deep is your wallet?
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Re: Good power for a daily driver

Well the wife give me the green light to "build it". My wallet aint that deep but i can get a lil creative. My maon concern is the reliability. It will be geting an lsd and a few other parts to make it hook. Throw some ideas off me please. Head porting, cams, CR, rods, piston combos and turbo sizes. Let me know. Teach this grasshopper
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Re: Good power for a daily driver

Turbo vs N/A is all personal preference.



As much as I love the idea of a ~300whp DD 'lude, AND retaining reliability.....

I can think of 2 5th gen N/A guys on this site, both around ~250whp, one is a balls-out racecar, the other hasn't been driven in over a year.

And I can also think of 2 4th gen boosted guys, 1 guy has been thru 6-7 motors and 4 turbo setups, the other guy has been thru like 3 motors, 3 turbo setups, than eventually went back to a bolt-on H22.




As much as I always say; "Cheap, Reliable, and Powerful; you can only choose 2 of them".....

None of them are truly reliable, and none of them were cheaper than $10K when all was said and done. So its like..... You can have your power, but you're on borrowed time.
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Re: Good power for a daily driver

Ok thats more along the lines of what i needed to know. As far as doing new pistons with a lil higher CR, a set of bc st. 2 all motor cams, p&p head, and an im with good tune what am i lookjng at? Maybe 230 hp at the wheels if im lucky?
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Re: Good power for a daily driver

I know you asked n/a vs turbo, but I just thought I'd give my opinion being supercharged. I'm currently at 274whp/220tq at 9psi.
Is it reliable? I guess so. It hasn't been in the shop for anything major lately and I could DD if I wanted to.
Powerful? Well, it's definitely fun. No doubt about that.
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If you're looking for some fun every now and again you could always hook up a bottle to it and do some basic bolt ons, but don't forget to tune.
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Re: Good power for a daily driver

Sorry to be the troll today, but a DD doesn't need more than 200hp/200tq. In a 4thgen, there is a permanent smile on the driver. 5th gen owners might toss a wet nos kit for gigles after i/h/e. True to the word DD's make minimum 30mpg nowadays. Prelude never did that, the 92-96 S prelude was close, like 28 overall.

The turbo will help the gas mileage(pfffft, like it matters) but Nick did his own turbo. Budget yourself for 15k. Or J-swap like leavemdroolin has. Muuuuuuuuuch more reliable.
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just buy a GTO
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What's a GTO?
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GTO = DA SEX

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Nothing better than the sound of a 400hp GM V8 :)
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Nothing better than the sound of a 400hp GM V8 :)
ya there is h22 at 7k
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Nothing better than the sound of a 400hp GM V8 :)
except a ford v8.

now to the matter at hand.. those little dudes in lab coats designed the motors to last a long long time at certain hp/torque. drivetrain too. when you started adding more stress the reliability goes down. there's probably some chart in their computer that compares the hp/torque to reliability. it probably curves down like the trajectory of a person jumping off a diving board. you just have to pick where you wanna be on that curve.
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or round 275- 300 n/a. Are these goals realistic?
that hp from h22 isnt realistic specially for dd purposes! you have to mod that engine like hell and get damn aggressive cams - not good for dd

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I want to be able to keep it as much of a daily driver as i can. Any thoughts on this?
240hp would be much more realistic for dd and more easily achievable (right word?)
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Re: Good power for a daily driver

How reliable would type s pistons, h beam rods, skunk 2 im, 65mm tb, port and polish by explicit, bc st 1unit cam. That is to go with my short ram intake, header, nology plugs, 8lb flywheel, act atreet clutch, short throw shifter, full 3 in exhaust with high flow cat hks muffler and resonater. And hondata s100.
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What kind of power we talking here rough est....
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Rods, short ram, shifter, will not add power and are not needed for reliabilty.

The pistons, type-s intake, cams and hytech replica headers with a full 3" exhaust, with skunk 2 and tune will be about 30-50 hp. Hks isn't carb legal, the nology doesnt' do anything better than oem. Honda is one of those companies that make good sh!t right out of the gate. Don't port and polish or get a wider tb, the skunk 2 is a good IM.
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Why do you say not to port and Polish?
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I'm assuming the port and polish is going into the intake manifold. If you swap it it out for a skunk2 intake manifold, you're paying twice. If the port and polish is for the head or the cylinders, the pistons won't fit and the head will require new valves. More money.

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my short shifter added 23 torque
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Re: Good power for a daily driver

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What kind of power we talking here rough est....
theres a link to my car - full head build with stock bottom ~228hp but you can add some hp there when/if the compression is higher
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Re: Good power for a daily driver

Thanks yall. I was talking about porting the intake ports in the head. I was also just quoting what has been done to the ar in general. I know thw shifter will not add anything. The only reason i posted tge nology plug wires is because tgey did add power to my harley when i put them and a set of performance plugs in . Thanks for all the input and once i get back from Afghanistan we will see where it all lands.
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Get back safe, and thankyou for fighting for our freedom. Honestly, if you like a good wire, taylor thunderspark 8.2mm wires deliver without the cost. And they come in assorted colors if you have a scheme. The only downside is you need to search by boot type and connection degrees and length. I don't buy any other wire for non honda cars. Factory is just too good.
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