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Broken JTC SS... Shifter Bushings?????

Hey ya'll... I'll ask for some advice first, and then give some back story...

I have a little front to back and side to side play in my shifter... Is this likely due to, 1-the shifter bushings on the shifter base plate (they are a little spongy, but I am not sure they are the main source of the play... hard to tell now, with the shifter being broken)... OR, 2-some other play in the cables or elsewhere??? I have to buy piece #18 anyway (details at bottom), so I thought I would ask what else I should get...

If 1, I can order some new bushings (8 pieces, #14 and #13 in diagram) from majestic or elsewhere (maybe the honda dealer since shipping is a bitch)... I wanted to do something aftermarket, like the TWM bushings for the 5th gen, but I can find no such thing for the 4th gen... TWM Performance Honda Prelude 1997-2001 Bushing Kits (wanting to stiffen things up so it's not as disappointing when I return to stock).

or...

I have read on other forums that people have attached the shifter plate directly to the car with no bushings... (in theory this could lengthen the throw a tiny bit as the very thin bushing (#14), effectively lifts the leverage point less than 1/8th of an inch [edit: on second thought I don't think it would have any effect on throw length, in which case I would not replace #14 with washers, but just bolt the plate to the metal surface...])... Maybe I could put 4 washers in to replace #14 and eliminate the thick upper bushings (#13), to stiffen everything up??? IS IT SAFE FOR TO ELIMINATE THOSE BUSHINGS???

If I need the bushings are they really worth ~4 bucks a piece for new ones (~30 bucks total), or is it unlikely that the bushings will resolve the play in the shifter?

If 2 (play elsewhere), What, if anything, can I do about it? (the play is not too bad, but thought now was as good a time as any to see if I could do anything about it)


Is there anything else I should replace while I am at it (i.e. #4 BUSH B, CHANGE LEVER)???




As always, thanks in advance PZ!

edit: for your 5th genners... looks alot like the 4th gen bushings! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSPEC-tuning...-/200696462780

(please excuse dirt/dust/spiderwebs and sh!t)...







My JTC SS review thread
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Back Story:

As some of you may know, my JTC shifter snapped on me back in mid May... Try as I might I have tried to get in touch with JTC/Tommy to no avail... I got lucky; the shifter broke in the driveway, not on the freeway, but my poor prelude has been sitting for going on 2 months while I have been hoping for some customer support (I would have put the stock shifter back in, but I have no good way to rescue "BUSHING C, CHANGE LEVER
Stock Code: 54210-SM4-000" (#18 in above diagram... the little back plastic cube that goes on the shift selector rod that attaches to the linkage). I have delayed doing anything because I did not know exactly what all I want to replace when I tear it back apart... and I hoped to hear from JTC/Tommy.

I had an early JTC shifter that broke due to a little design flaw... Tommy was great to work with (details in below thread), but this time he is AWOL and I wish he and his family the best, and hope everything is okay. Unfortunately I believe this new break to be due to a design flaw as well... (see pics) The stock shifter is thicker/stronger at the point where the JTC short shifter broke... I'm afraid others might also face this same problem down the road and I hope it doesn't snap when you are doing 80 on the interstate or tearing up a canyon road...

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Re: Broken JTC SS... Shifter Bushings?????

Uhh... so I will make this simple... lol

Can I safely take out the rubber bushings on the shifter plate and mount it metal on metal?



I ordered only "bushing c: change lever" (little black cube) at the Honda dealership yesterday; pickup tomorrow, and I can drive the lude again after I reinstall the stock shifter... If I change my mind (about the other bushings) I will go back to Honda...

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Re: Broken JTC SS... Shifter Bushings?????

F-U-C-K it... I did it... quoted from PP:

Yeah, I think that would work... Thanks for the offer (right now I'm gonna rock the stock shifter for a while and see if Tommy ever gets back online, but I will let you know if I decide to do that... regardless of my earlier impatience I hope he and his family are well)... I got the little black cube bushing from the Honda dealer (too expensive to ship from majestic etc..) and finally got the lude road worthy again (minus the hole in the flex pipe... sounds like ****!!!!!).

The shifter throws feels long as hell, lol, but it works! I also eliminated the "4" shifter plate bushings (8 rubber pieces and the 4 metal tubes), and found some bolts and washers to use in place of the longer stock bolts with washers that won't come off (easily)... I just tightened it all up metal on metal.... Seems to do fine without the bushings (looks better since I threw away all the plastic console pieces), though I must admit most of my "play" is still there, and I was worried at first because the holes on the plate that the bolts go through are as large as the outside diameter of those "bushing tubes".... I just tried to center it all nicely and it seemed sturdy as hell after being tightened down (hope I didn't over do it); it did great on the test drive to the trash dump. You'll hear from me again if it ****s up!

Thanks PP.... I'll be out of town for a week, so ya'll be good.
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Re: Broken JTC SS... Shifter Bushings?????

I have needed to set the record straight for a while now, but I've been busy with my little sister's pregnancy, my wife's chronic lyme disease and the issues it causes, among other things...

At first I felt patient about the shifter breaking because I had the misfortune (and ironically good fortune) of having one of the earliest JTC shifters that needed a little tweak in design, Tommy was very quick to address the problem and not only sent a new shifter with bushing attached, but also threw in an extender kit and stickers for the troubles. I was very pleased. Customer service doesn't get faster or better; the new shifter was even slightly customized...

Then I began to feel impatient (and retrospectively feel bad about my negative posts) due to so much time passing with no word from Tommy. I think it was a couple months give or take... As the time passed my impatience turned to concern and I found out no one else had heard a peep either....

So, hoping things were okay with Tommy, I decided to reinstall the stock shifter so I could get the lude roadworthy again (I'd been driving the wife's 2012 Civic Si)... I then had to go out of town for a few days to see my sister and you can imagine my surprise when I came home to find a new JTC shifter waiting for me... I noticed Tommy had messaged me the day I reinstalled the stock shifter; had I known I would have saved myself some work! He indeed proved to be the better man as I found out he had family issues of his own. I felt bad about my earlier impatience.

I'm trying not to ramble on too long in hopes you might read this... but bottom line is I withdraw my statements suggesting people not give JTC a shot... The newest (third :) ) shifter has a weld that should prevent another failure like the last...

Another bottom line.... I never knew how much I loved this shifter until I had to go back to stock.... WOW...

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Originally Posted by TRIO View Post
why a short shifter to start with? they are so useless in my opinion :thud:
Here's why... (notice extender)... it's not scientific, but I think you can get the idea... JTC shift is shorter AND smoother....

Oh yeah... I also deleted my bushings and it did eliminate some play... just order 4 bolts like those that hold down the ebrake (ones on the shift plate are not threaded to the top...) and have some big washers on hand... unfortunately the holes through the shift plate are a bit big (thus the extra washers), but if you line it up carefully and crank it down tight I don't foresee any issues... I hope I don't ever have to take it off again; it's been a few times!

Stock 3rd, N, 4th (3rd pics misnamed 1st on photobucket)







JTC 3rd, N, 4th







another comparison





...and my old JTC versus the new... notice the big weld on the shift selector rod... also notice how my old shifter was customized shorter...



below you can see how much extra short my old shifter was... it's the one that sticks down further because the connector was welded on higher.. cables barely cleared... threw my console in the dumpster because when I moved from the middle to top hole even trimming didn't work well, and aesthetics don't mean much to my lude. :)



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Re: Broken JTC SS... Shifter Bushings?????

p.s.

Don't throw away those old shift plate bushings! My dish drainer did not drain properly... the edge of the sink held up the end that should drain and backed the water up. So....




problem solved.
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