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Possible H22 Build!

Ok so a few day ago i went to look at an engine that my mechanic had at his shop. Turns out it was an JDM H22A. It has been sitting out for about 2-3 years now and has been hit by rain, snow and hot summer days since then. And will need to be fully rebuilt. Since its been sitting their a few years im sure he will give it to for cheap or possibly even for free since he doesn't care to much for Jap motors.
Either way i was thinking of taking it off his shop and start rebuilding it little by little buying some parts with the money i save. this will take me about a 1-2 years just to collect the parts but i am patient. And i know it will be worth the wait.
Plans: i want to build a N/A so all motor no boost. Will need to buy almost every sensor since their all missing. Will be using the Fuel injectors off my F22A1 since i found out their the same shi*t.

Here's a List of things already planned to do:
1. Eagle Rods
2. Forged Wiseco Pistons
3. Darton Sleeves
4. Blox High Comp Intake and Exhaust Valves
5. AEM Cam Gears/Timing Gears
6. OBX Racing Pulley Kit
Things im still in the dark about are:
1. Type S Air Intake or AEM V2 Air Intake?
2. OEM Crankshaft or Aftermarket Crankshaft or H23 Crankshaft?
3. What kind of Header to Use?
4. OEM Valve springs and retainers or Aftermarket ones?
5. F20b intake manifold or Skunk2 Pro 2 Intake manifold?
Would love some feedback on what has worked for you in the past!
As soon as i get the green light on my mechanic i will start searching at shops to check the compression on the engine. Then will start contacting local shops to see how much it costs to bore engine and install the sleeves and forged pistons.
I will post pics of the Engine in few days. so you can see what i am looking at for the next few years.
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Re: Possible H22 Build!

you cant use Eagle rods with H23 crank so make up your mind before you get the rods
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you cant use Eagle rods with H23 crank so make up your mind before you get the rods
So can i use the OEM Crank with Forged Pistons or is that a disaster waiting to happen?
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1. Type S Air Intake or AEM V2 Air Intake?
type s or CAI, never get intake which takes warm air from your engine bay!

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5. F20b intake manifold or Skunk2 Pro Intake manifold?
well, blacktrax make ported ones so get one from them or then that skunk
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So can i use the OEM Crank with Forged Pistons or is that a disaster waiting to happen?
its a disaster to use the unbalanced h23 crank lol youll be fine with the h22 crank
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type s or CAI, never get intake which takes warm air from your engine bay!


Id have to say vibrant


with which cams?


well, blacktrax make ported ones so get one from them or then that skunk
I was thinking of using the skunk 2 cams. Unless i can produce the same results with the stock ones.
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Guess i will use the CA intake but will need a hydrashield to repel some of the water.
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you need to know what stage cams
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Guess i will use the CA intake but will need a hydrashield to repel some of the water.
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Unless i can produce the same results with the stock ones.
hows that possible

even with stock compression, skunk pro1's make a lot more torque across the powerband than the stock ones

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Re: Possible H22 Build!

Save some $ go with Type S high compression pistons & cams, vibrant headers, dual titanium valve springs and valves, adjustable cam gears (don't buy just because of name brand) rosko accord type r intake mani, v2 or type s intake, msd ignition possibly look into jackson super charger for later.
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Save some $ go with Type S high compression pistons & cams, vibrant headers, dual titanium valve springs and valves, adjustable cam gears (don't buy just because of name brand) rosko accord type r intake mani, v2 or type s intake, msd ignition possibly look into jackson super charger for later.
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Save some $ go with Type S high compression pistons & cams, vibrant headers, dual titanium valve springs and valves, adjustable cam gears (don't buy just because of name brand) rosko accord type r intake mani, v2 or type s intake, msd ignition possibly look into jackson super charger for later.
I would love to do that but finding legit Type S engine internals aren't as easy as you think. I would choose type s over some of the internals listed just no as easy to find ones that are legit and not some Ebay knock offs. Same goes with the F20b Intake manifold which are a rare find without buying the whole motor. Even then most people remove them and sell the F20b motor with the H22 Intake manifold.
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Re: Possible H22 Build!

yeah man theres ways to save loads of money on your build while still acquiring the hp goal you want first figure out your power goal then figure out the most logical aproach to get you there.

mahley gold series pistons are after market pistons that are specifically for fmr lined sleeves and can be used in un-sleeved h22's even turbo builds use these pistons and hold up just fine, be sure to get a fairly high(er) compression than 10.5:1 only bc factory h22a pistons are this specific c/r. also eagle H-beam rods are a good choice but almost un-necessary as well (in the end it mainly matters what hp goal youd like to see after every thing is done dialed in and tuned) but either way that will save you 1000$ into it simply omiting sleeving your block. and can go to something more logical.

in the end if your expecting 300whp out of an n/a h22 then a full rebuild/bored over etc etc and the whole works will be neceesary or just turbo it on 9psi on a a/r .60 trim turbo and be done with it... your choice man your car your build do as u please man and good luck!
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yeah man theres ways to save loads of money on your build while still acquiring the hp goal you want first figure out your power goal then figure out the most logical aproach to get you there.

mahley gold series pistons are after market pistons that are specifically for fmr lined sleeves and can be used in un-sleeved h22's even turbo builds use these pistons and hold up just fine, be sure to get a fairly high(er) compression than 10.5:1 only bc factory h22a pistons are this specific c/r. also eagle H-beam rods are a good choice but almost un-necessary as well (in the end it mainly matters what hp goal youd like to see after every thing is done dialed in and tuned) but either way that will save you 1000$ into it simply omiting sleeving your block. and can go to something more logical.

in the end if your expecting 300whp out of an n/a h22 then a full rebuild/bored over etc etc and the whole works will be neceesary or just turbo it on 9psi on a a/r .60 trim turbo and be done with it... your choice man your car your build do as u please man and good luck!
Thanks this is the reason i created this thread so i and others can have some options on parts to use on a build.
As far as me expecting some Hp i don't Expect 300hp on all motor build. I was expecting more of 250hp tops on a full N/A build even with forged internals.
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I was expecting more of 250hp tops on a full N/A build even with forged internals.
you need stage 2 cams and 12 compression
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would a fully built head get the compression over 12 with a type-s block?
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would a fully built head get the compression over 12 with a type-s block?
the only think that will bump compression on a head is the design of the valves, and also shavin the head down to a specific 32nds of an inch. no matter what you do to a head after that it doesnt mess with the comression ratio; however, it does help to increase your CFM's of your motor substantually thus creating more hp.

if im wrong... some one plz chime in lol
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Good thoughts here. I will be posting pics of the engine one thursday or friday.
I talked to a few local tuners and found out that it wouldn't be a good idea running a OEM crank on forged internals. So now i have to find a aftermarket crankshaft.
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lol is that worth 250whp and thats just one part lol me piecing together my own turbo kit was cheaper than that lol idk dude im sure rods and psitons will be fine witht he stock crank its been done thousands upon thousands of times
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Re: Possible H22 Build!

Here's some pics of the H22A. I found out today that the owner of the engine is coming back from mexico after a few years so i will get a price on it. If its to high i will close this thread!
Good news is that it has most of the sensor and the distributor whether or not it works is unknown.







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Re: Possible H22 Build!

Plan B will be this:
F22B1
Plans: Adding the head to my F22A1 then add forged internals, sleeve it, then will go turbo. Since F22's can handle just about anything you throw at it.
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Re: Possible H22 Build!

with good luck pistons are rusted
and thats make the whole engine worthless
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