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What`s up guys. So I've been thinking about it and wondering what are the disadvantages and advantages of front drive and rear wheel drive. I know Honda is known for having a lot of front wheel drive cars. Let me know what you guys know and what you prefer and your reasoning to it. If been thinking about it and I wish my 5Th gen was rear wheel drive I`ve have some friends who are wanting to sell there cars just because they want rear wheel drive... 240sx and blah blah blah and I`ve had people as me if my prelude was rear wheel drive and I would reply no and they would give me a wierd look like wtf haha

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Re: Front or rear wheel drive?

Everyone wishes their Preludes were RWD.

FWD

pros
-more interior room
-cheaper to make and maintain
-more grip in sloppy conditions in theory
-more predictable

cons
-torque steer
-prone to understeer
-front wheels have to drive, brake, steer somehow at the same time.
-not too awe inspiring so no sideways driving

RWD

pros
-great for towing
-it's easier to push than to pull so basically faster off the line
-in many people's minds, simple to work with.
-in some cases engine bays are easier to work in
-fun factor
-more capable of handling power

cons
-can be less forgiving at the limit
-driving sideways... on fire is bad
-some of these parts get really expensive to replace, like a rear end
-a big hump going down the center of the car for the driveshaft
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Re: Front or rear wheel drive?

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Re: Front or rear wheel drive?

Ive got an old civic wagon4x4 that I have been considering dropping an s2k motor and trans into, I just think it would be fun as hell to make it a rwd beater that would blow away a lot of cars on the street. lol
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Re: Front or rear wheel drive?

i thought the pro's and con's of FWD vs RWD was common sense























































































































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Everyone wishes their Preludes were RWD.

FWD

pros
-more interior room
-cheaper to make and maintain
-more grip in sloppy conditions in theory
-more predictable

cons
-torque steer
-prone to understeer
-front wheels have to drive, brake, steer somehow at the same time.
-not too awe inspiring so no sideways driving

RWD

pros
-great for towing
-it's easier to push than to pull so basically faster off the line
-in many people's minds, simple to work with.
-in some cases engine bays are easier to work in
-fun factor
-more capable of handling power

cons
-can be less forgiving at the limit
-driving sideways... on fire is bad
-some of these parts get really expensive to replace, like a rear end
-a big hump going down the center of the car for the driveshaft
I think RWD is more predictable for me. My Prelude was unforgiving and all over the place when I accelerated in a corner (understeer, torque steer, goingtogetmyselfkilled steer). My 240, on the other hand, just swings the ass end out like always and it's easy to maintain if you know what you're doing.

Also, my 240 has more room compared to my Prelude because they may as well have ran a faux driveshaft for as big as the exhaust tunnel is!
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Re: Front or rear wheel drive?

I for one don't like understeer or oversteer lol. Has anyone else gotten understeer and then all of a sudden snap oversteer from lifting off? Not a good feeling.
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I for one don't like understeer or oversteer lol. Has anyone else gotten understeer and then all of a sudden snap oversteer from lifting off? Not a good feeling.
My biggest gripe w/ teh old 'lude, the damned unexpected snap oversteer.

One instance, going around a 270* off-ramp, basically at the tires adhesive/grip limits, lifted off cuz I thought I was going to fast...... wound up in a ditch, 5 feet before hitting the end of a guardrail.

Another instance, took a 90* turn a bit too fast for my shiitty tires, rear end came around.... wound up 3 feet before a telephone pole







or maybe it was cuz i haz too much boots
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I knew I wasn't the only one who had this happen, it happened going around a 90* bend, I turned in too quickly, I lost grip, lifted off, that corrected it and out of no where the tail tries to kick out, I countersteered and powered out quickly enough to keep my rear end out of someone's farmland.

Also I think rwd is more predictable to more experienced/skilled drivers, oversteer can be controllable as opposed to understeer which cant. If you're a person who thinks crashing into trees head on is drifting, sell your car and ride a bike.

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I knew I wasn't the only one who had this happen, it happened going around a 90* bend, I turned in too quickly, I lost grip, lifted off, that corrected it and out of no where the tail tries to kick out, I countersteered and powered out quickly enough to keep my rear end out of someone's farmland.

Also I think rwd is more predictable to more experienced/skilled drivers, oversteer can be controllable as opposed to understeer which cant. If you're a person who thinks crashing into trees head on is drifting, sell your car and ride a bike.
This almost cost me the front passenger corner of my car. Same scenario. Taking a corner a little too fast, lost traction, then I actually engaged the clutch for immediate loss of all power (it was slick and I needed traction ASAP!), and BAM! Oversteer almost threw me into the other curb instead! I used my ebrake to "FWD" drift myself out of the moment, lol.
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lol and preludes are known for understeer? These should be called the 911's of Japan! Goddamn widowmakers.

Hows the 240 treating you? My buddy is giving up on his 3rd gen and looking to buy a 240. I've been debating on giving up too. I see my car is going to eat major $$$ in the future.
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lol and preludes are known for understeer? These should be called the 911's of Japan! Goddamn widowmakers.

Hows the 240 treating you? My buddy is giving up on his 3rd gen and looking to buy a 240. I've been debating on giving up too. I see my car is going to eat major $$$ in the future.
I absolutely love my chuki! The only thing I dislike about it is the fact that it doesn't feel nearly as badass, aesthetically speaking, as my lude does. It's almost completely stock and it feels good. Brakes are very grabby, the clutch pedal is close to the brake rather than up your ass, the stock suspension is a little soft for me, but I'll upgrade it asap. It's awesome to have sooo much cargo room! Downside is the age. It's a 91, so technically 22 years old. The parts are just aged to hell. I mean, we put new brakes on it last night, and when we compressed the caliper piston, brake fluid shot out. The seal was soo shot that is busted when we tried to reset it.
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Yeah I feel you when it comes to age. the lude is 23 years old now and a lot of that age shows. I've been fighting my clutch hydraulics for a few weeks now, I'm finally getting around to replacing my clutch master cylinder today.

Speaking of brakes I use new brakes as well lol.
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More power = less MPG for same size class car.
More torque = more torque steer when you reach the limit.

Having said that, rwd is more expensive to repair. Drive shafts, transaxles, differentials, blah blah blah. Main positive? Lots of aftermarket support, I mean if a civic has 1000 legit supporters, gm/ford/mopar has 1837362728474x more. It's overkill honestly.
Rwd+snow-LSD= FAIL

Fwd is cheap for repairs. Cv joints, what's a drive shaft? And for day to day, really Negligible differences. 55mph doesn't push any car chassis to any limit.

And get that STI talk out of this thread! That sh!t is disrespectful! LOL you know you have both headaches of FWD and RWD, and can't turn it off, like 4x4! Burn! LOL
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RWD is just proper and classic, doin it right!

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Re: Front or rear wheel drive?

For practical reasons many cars are just destined to be one or the other if you were given the choice. Think of it this way, small cars are nimble as hell, generally light. This means you don't have a need for a lot of power. On the subject of power, it makes sense to make a smaller car fwd simply because of the shorter wheelbase. Cars with short wheelbases are less forgiving than a car with a bigger wheelbase. I for one would not want to get sideways in a Toyota Starlet at any speed higher than 20 mph, I just don't have the skill or the balls for that. A lot of cars used for drifting are larger cars because they are more forgiving, you don't see that many miatas being used as opposed to a 240sx.
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Sounds to me like a bunch of bad drivers in here. Learn how to drive a FWD properly, if it is not going sideways you are doing it wrong. I know drag racing is "cool" and all but leave that to the queens.

Step 1: Go as fast as your balls can handle.
Step 2: Apply brakes hard in a straight line slowing releasing the brake.
Step 3: Turn in for corner, aim for backside, while still slightly on brake.
Step 4: Feel the car's rear end wanting to be the front. Balance the car with the throttle and slight steering corrections.
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Step 6: Unwind wheel and get on the gas gently.
Step 7: Repeat steps 1-7.

There are very good FWD cars and very bad ones. Same goes with RWD and AWD. If you don't have the correct set up and design it is going to suck.
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RWD - hit the gas in a turn to powerslide for fun
FWD - hit the brakes in a turn to unexpectedly powerslide into a wall

First response hit it on the head. I glanced at other's responses but one thing that I didn't see mentioned was HP loss through the drivetrain in RWD cuz you have the driveshaft and differential between the motor and the wheels in addition to the transmission.
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lol hey I'm young and learning, it happened once only.
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I swear I get"Is your car rwd?" At least once a week it's ridiculous!!
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^^ Yeah I swear , it`s annoying. WIsh I could have my car fully built and turbo ed so I can say its front wheel drive and what haha
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Everything else comes naturally. I made a small reference to rwd loses power, when I mentioned lower MPG. 4WS preludes are the best, some oversteer like RWD,all the FWD characteristics, and if you leave it stock, works in snow too.
I was renewing my registration yesterday, in 2 hours of waiting, I studied for my motorcycle permit. Time to see when I can take the exam. Then, onto a moped, true profit LOL!
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Sounds to me like a bunch of bad drivers in here. Learn how to drive a FWD properly, if it is not going sideways you are doing it wrong. I know drag racing is "cool" and all but leave that to the queens.

Step 1: Go as fast as your balls can handle.
Step 2: Apply brakes hard in a straight line slowing releasing the brake.
Step 3: Turn in for corner, aim for backside, while still slightly on brake.
Step 4: Feel the car's rear end wanting to be the front. Balance the car with the throttle and slight steering corrections.
Step 5: ...PROFIT!!!!
Step 6: Unwind wheel and get on the gas gently.
Step 7: Repeat steps 1-7.

There are very good FWD cars and very bad ones. Same goes with RWD and AWD. If you don't have the correct set up and design it is going to suck.
I'm just sayin, AWD is much MUCHHHHH more predictable than FWD, especially at the limits.
Even when I was auto-x'ing on RT615's, it would be..... grip grip grip grip grip grip grip spin out. (not all the time, just a handful. and i'm not claiming to be the best auto-x'er ever.... i guess i've just moved on from FWD)




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Sounds to me like a bunch of bad drivers in here. Learn how to drive a FWD properly, if it is not going sideways you are doing it wrong. I know drag racing is "cool" and all but leave that to the queens.

Step 1: Go as fast as your balls can handle.
Step 2: Apply brakes hard in a straight line slowing releasing the brake.
Step 3: Turn in for corner, aim for backside, while still slightly on brake.
Step 4: Feel the car's rear end wanting to be the front. Balance the car with the throttle and slight steering corrections.
Step 5: ...PROFIT!!!!
Step 6: Unwind wheel and get on the gas gently.
Step 7: Repeat steps 1-7.

There are very good FWD cars and very bad ones. Same goes with RWD and AWD. If you don't have the correct set up and design it is going to suck.
Nope, lol.

Turn it left,
Whip it right,
Break it loose,
Keep it tight.

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