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Tuning Question

If I purchase and Emanage Ultimate piggy back ecu to work with my ECU, can tuning my car get me or HP or better performance without any engine mods?

I have a type SH and eventually want to delete it as I ad more HP, but for the time being I was wondering if you could get any performance increases with just tuning. I read that your car's air/fuel ratio is always changing throughout the years so tuning is always a good idea. Mine is a 97 with 66k on it. My plan is to slowly add bolton's until the ATTS is acting up and I either have to delete it or come up with an alternate plan.

so buying the greddy emanage ultimate and giving it to kaizenspeed for tuning...good idea or bad?
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buy that full exhaust first and then do the tuning, otherwise the gains by tuning the stock engine are kinda....small?
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gains on a stock motor would probably be minimal but he could get his vtec crossover controlled and get rid of the fuel cutoff
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Intake, header, exhaust, thats your stage 1 tuning right there. Then do a tune.
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Re: Tuning Question

Welcome to PZ, glad you found a great prelude. If it was a base 5speed I'd say tune it till the cows come home. The SH makes tunes difficult, since you need header extensions, type s intake from Honda(for true power gains), and your exhaust will bring you close to Atts shutting off. And that little unit is awsome for DD.

Has anyone tried making a TL or RL SH system work on our preludes yet? Not the awd, just the programming to not disable. Hmmmm.
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Re: Tuning Question

I get the I/H/E upgrades and why I would need to tune after getting all that done. The problem is I need to watch how much I add because of my ATTS. So I am asking from a Tuning standpoint, ECU Management stand point, can I see a difference off stock parts if I fine tune it?

My understanding was that Honda makes a base mapped ecu for all general types of driving, and banking on the fact people don't take care of their cars or use premium gas. Plus location of air density is different everywhere so air/fuel ratio is pretty broad. But since I am a person who keeps my car on premium and well running, a tune would help. it maybe only be by 4 mpg/ or 10-15 hp...but none the less help.

I just wanted to know if anyone has done this personally, or has experience with some one going about their build "ass backwards" and buying a piggy back first
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Re: Tuning Question

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Thats a great question. I haven't read one thing about it. Generally what I get is, scrap the ATTS for an LSD.

Now I see JDM motors sells a lot of Type S with the LSD trans, but I have to be careful right because those motors range from 185 to 220bp depending on what version it is. Also the 220 compression rate makes it a pain to turbo. Would it be safe to say the N/A build is the best on a true Type S motor?
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Re: Tuning Question

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Thats a great question. I haven't read one thing about it. Generally what I get is, scrap the ATTS for an LSD.

Now I see JDM motors sells a lot of Type S with the LSD trans, but I have to be careful right because those motors range from 185 to 220bp depending on what version it is. Also the 220 compression rate makes it a pain to turbo. Would it be safe to say the N/A build is the best on a true Type S motor?

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Also, the SH system is good until AROUND 240-250whp. With only I/H/E, you'll only be around 170whp, so no worries there.
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@sidswipe (because I don't know how to quote people on here)
Thats a great question. I haven't read one thing about it. Generally what I get is, scrap the ATTS for an LSD.

Now I see JDM motors sells a lot of Type S with the LSD trans, but I have to be careful right because those motors range from 185 to 220bp depending on what version it is. Also the 220 compression rate makes it a pain to turbo. Would it be safe to say the N/A build is the best on a true Type S motor?
you really have to make up with your mind and choose NA OR turbo. NOW.
those builds are completely different and you need difference parts to them. no point of getting na header if you plan to go turbo. and with turbo you definetly need better engine management than what you can get to sh.

so youre hazzling here with all these stuff mixed up in your mind, one day youre thinking getting rid of atts, second youre thinking to tune your car WITH atts
CALM DOWN and think&plan little bit what youre going to do or you just end up spending your money to useless crap
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you really have to make up with your mind and choose NA OR turbo. NOW.
those builds are completely different and you need difference parts to them. no point of getting na header if you plan to go turbo. and with turbo you definetly need better engine management than what you can get to sh.

so youre hazzling here with all these stuff mixed up in your mind, one day youre thinking getting rid of atts, second youre thinking to tune your car WITH atts
CALM DOWN and think&plan little bit what youre going to do or you just end up spending your money to useless crap
Agreed!
Haha I guess I need opinions then, what HP would I need to add to feel a significant improvement for everyday driving. Would I feel a 20 HP upgrade on the low end of the throttle? If I can add 50 HP / and feel it and keep my ATTS I'm all for it. But again I'm driving this thing everyday and want to see the most improvements from 0-80 mph
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^ I can honestly say that if you start adding power, there is no end to it... let me demonstrate: I got new IM, exhaust, ported head, injectors and so on, first it was like "oh, cool" ...then few months later I got used to those new mods and then it was like "doesnt this go faster", so next I found myself getting new header "yep, this is nice" ..... and now Im putting new cams there.... so its kinda being some "hp junkie" nothing is never enough :D first its cool but then when you got used to them the car feels stock again ;)

Id say that get good suspension first, it really improves your car (since you have to do serious planning for that engine build)

If you end up building NA no matter what youre doing to your atts, vibrant's header will improve your engine behavior

but you should contact rosko. I bet he knows these things better, if I remember right he has SH too!
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Haha I guess I need opinions then, what HP would I need to add to feel a significant improvement for everyday driving. Would I feel a 20 HP upgrade on the low end of the throttle? If I can add 50 HP / and feel it and keep my ATTS I'm all for it. But again I'm driving this thing everyday and want to see the most improvements from 0-80 mph

trust me im in the same boat as you. just stick around and read up then you can get a feel for what you want and even let the build take a while just building it part by part if you can. i'm going to build the head first and get a tune then save up for the lsd tranny and everything else. theres alot of info here and if you try and get it all at once you will be confused just read up and ask people who have the parts you want questions
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trust me im in the same boat as you. just stick around and read up then you can get a feel for what you want and even let the build take a while just building it part by part if you can. i'm going to build the head first and get a tune then save up for the lsd tranny and everything else. theres alot of info here and if you try and get it all at once you will be confused just read up and ask people who have the parts you want questions
IMO its better to do as much as possible at the same time
in this way you save money - you might get better deals when purchasing multiple parts and you dont have to get it tuned in that many times

but since everything costs I can understand that you dont have that kind of money for the start. I know, I dont ...thats why I know this - you end up paying more. I dont even want to count how much Ive spend into this thing

Id like to get LSD trann, but atleast here you cannot really find one that easily
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IMO its better to do as much as possible at the same time
in this way you save money - you might get better deals when purchasing multiple parts and you dont have to get it tuned in that many times

but since everything costs I can understand that you dont have that kind of money for the start. I know, I dont ...thats why I know this - you end up paying more. I dont even want to count how much Ive spend into this thing

Id like to get LSD trann, but atleast here you cannot really find one that easily
Exactly if i was able to afford everything at once i would have already done it lol. i just know that im not going to take short cuts if im willing to put in the time to get it where i want it to be
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