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BRAKES!!! parts - advice?

I tried to read the article dbd6604 posted here, but it was gone...

As I get ready to redo my brakes, I wanted some general advice, ideas, and feedback from PZers... don't worry.. not gonna waste you time asking about ebay parts...
Cost is a consideration as my wife's health care and the new Si are expensive.

For the front, I have brembo slotted rotors and Hawk HPS pads.... courtesy of elude... I got a good deal

In the future I plan on doing a Legend front brake swap and will prob use ceramic pads... My current plan is up in the air... advise me as you see fit...

ROTORS:
1- Brembo blanks...overrated? (leaning toward these... might be the most compatible with ProAct pads... $70)
2- Power Slot (about $120 or $185ish for the cryo treated.... are they worth it???)
3- DRT slotted... uncoated (yes, I keep reading it "DIRT"...leaning AWAY from these... actually my one ebay piece, but I read they are made from centric blanks... and people have had good luck... $80)

PADS:
It is okay for me to go ahead and use ceramic pads on the back now with the Hawk semi-met., correct??? I know the front will bite a bit more, but... so...
1- Akebono ProAct ceramic (as long as they're okay with the Hawks up front... one source said they has trouble with these in combo with slotted rotors...$40)
2- Hawk HPS (not sure if I want to go this route since they are harder on the rotors, and I plan on doing the Legend swap up front in the future... they also have a ceramic $60)
3- Akebono Street Perf. (ceramic and with better stopping power than ProAct...$60)
I didn't mind Centric Posiquiets on the Ford... but I think I'll step up just a bit from there...

BRAKE LINES:
I plan on going stainless since the price is not much more... any reasons not to??? I do want to be sure they are well protected with a coating/cover. All are DOT approved, etc...
1- Techna Fit (I've read some good things about these, but didn't find a lot of info $100)
2- Russell (have read good things... I think they have a protective coating $100)
3- Goodridge (cost a little more, but tried and true??? have read coating is not resilient $120)
4- Nuespeed, Earl's, and Wilwood are all a little more... any justification for this?
5- j/k...EBAY!!! 50 bucks!... (maybe for corner lamps... but not so much the brake lines...)

CALIPERS
I plan on skipping for now... will have the shop look at them when they install the parts (not gonna tackle it myself this time)... I plan on doing the Legend front swap anyway...
Anyone want to warn against sticking with original parts with almost 250k miles?

SENSORS
I need to pull my ABS codes... I think wheel sensor(s) will be the answer as it does the classic "cut on after I start rolling" problem... and my uncles beat the **** out of the rotor when we did my brakes last time. My dad's mechanic also put a non-ABS drive axle on it when I first bought it in 05... I took it back off, but maybe that could cause trouble too.
Any place other than the junk yard to find cheap sensors, or should I just disconnect the ABS computer and say goodbye to my current semi-ABS system???



I'm leaning strongly towards the Brembo blanks and ProAct pads... but would love some words of wisdom on that, and especially on the stainless brake lines, etc... thanks!

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Re: BRAKES!!! parts - advice?

Well I'm glad I got here first. I already know about Prelude's setup. In all honesty, unless you're hot lapping in the future, You don't need the Cryos, or slotted brakes. Powerslots are the rotors you want. Day in and out, Brembos, hands down. Brake lines? Steel just for durability alone is worth it. Stoptech for the top of the line, (back to hot lapping LOL) Goodridge are just fine DD, and some racing. I dunno why people love Hawk pads so damn much. GOTTA CLEAN RIMS EVERY DAMN WEEK OR YOU START LOOKING LIKE MERCEDES BENZ OWNERS.... BLACK FRONTS SILVER REARS!

My setup with Sideswipe that Prelude13 inherited after it's demise:
Powerslots
Goodridge
AEM JDM pads
AP Racing Brake fluid

Never had to go bigger caliper.
My Recommendation: (if you can't find the above)
Brembo Blanks
Axxis Metal Master or Deluxe Pads
Ate Super Blue Racing brake fluid
Rebuilt Nissin Calipers (unloaded)- some have a core charge, some don't.
G2 Brake caliper paint kit (make those new calipers last)

Honestly it was cheaper for Honda to just go bigger caliper. ABS is subjective. Do you plan on driving hard in rain and snow? If so, yes ABS is good. The system itself is an arm and a leg to upkeep when stuff starts failing and will DEVOUR your budget like "The Klumps" at an Buffet Dinner. Pull the Fuse, And remove the bulb out of the cluster, LOL!
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Re: BRAKES!!! parts - advice?

my plans:

Goodridge brake lines
Black diamond drilled & slotted rotors
Black diamond brake pads

I dont think that I would be needing anything else.
JUN's lemon Prelude has stock brakes with just better pads and that was 270hp track car

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Re: BRAKES!!! parts - advice?

love that Jun prelude... :) I am doing the lines because the original ones are still on the car and I don't need a failure... the price of stainless is too competitive to buy rubber hoses.

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Pull the Fuse, And remove the bulb out of the cluster, LOL!
probably the route I will go... just have to slow down some in the rain, or take the civic.

Thanks for the feedback... I will look into some of that...

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Where can I find the Nissin calipers? The internet seems to be a dead end there... do I just have to go look at some re-manufactured ones to see how they're marked?

found those AEM pads... wonder what shipping is... http://www.autocarparts.com/part/list/141/ (does that really say $104 shipping to US??? :P .... pads are only $41...)
lots of pads here: http://www.importrp.com/home.php?cat=37 (the ones you're suggesting are 3rd on the list, right? Do you not think the Akebono's are comparable?)

interesting comparison of Nissin and Akebono calipers/pads on 90-93 accords...http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2631662 (they liked the Akebono for that application)... I'm finding some front Akebono calipers, one is only $7+core... but still no Nissin...

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Re: BRAKES!!! parts - advice?

Not that hard man, eBay "Prelude caliper" and you'll see the available choices, I tripped up on mine just the same way, mine came loaded with nice meaty pads and sold those for $35.(offset the AEM) Also look up "rebuilt caliper Ohio" , that where mine came from. The thread about the calipers is biased.

The spring is to keep the pads from floating on the rotor. Nissin is JDM OEM. if you look the caliper pot is also about 3-7mm wider, better heat distribution, and they come with fins to disperse heat, my 1989SI had em, very satisfied.

I suggest the axxis because PBR bought them. They supply TRUCK CALIPERS to gm, and about 80% of their lineup, so they will always be around. Also the deluxe are no noise, the metal master squeal from time to time, but have tons of Bite.
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Re: BRAKES!!! parts - advice?

cool cool. thanks for all the good info, and sorry to waste your time... I didn't even think to look on ebay for the calipers... just googled it and came up empty handed... I'll try again.

just fyi anyone else... it looks like you just have to browse the ebay/amazon/etc... calipers and look at pics to determine if it's Nissin... you can see the name on the caliper.

there also appears to be two different part number pairs from centric for the fronts...
141.40071, 141.40072... premium/preferred - seem to all have the "nissin" stamp... stamp is further to the outside than the below parts
141.40049, 141.40050... non-premium/non-preferred - seem to be stamped "nissin" closer to center... the preferred can be found for just as cheap if you look around...

edit: centric rear premium/preferred Part Number: 141.40521, Part Number: 141.40522

parts geek and autopartswarehouse have these as cheap as anyone on ebay... They should show a generic photo... I asked if they were stamped "nissin" but the rep. didn't know and did not have direct access to parts... but if they are the same part number they should be the same anywhere, right???

edit again.... damn look at this... yes I'm OCD, lol... how much better is Nissin???... because 4 bucks + core is cheap (the other side is 30 + core.. both with pads..)
http://www.autopartsway.com/PartDeta.../pagenum1/tabS (hell, I'm not sure that one isn't stamped "nissin")... only considering this since I might go legend gs in the future.

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Re: BRAKES!!! parts - advice?

I edited that last post quite a few times...

will the legend gs brake upgrade work in a stock 4th gen rim?? probably not, eh? I think Dwend sais the vtec front rotors would fit... but about about that bigger caliper?
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The rotors and calipers are a great upgrade, but pads/rotor/caliper are a 400.00+ upgrade on top of the actual cost. If you could find them at a parts yard(the calipers) that'll offset some of the cost. Worth it? Yes. If you're visiting the parts yard, might as well get the 4 hubs and work from there. It's your call!
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Re: BRAKES!!! parts - advice?

I planned on getting vtec rotors (still 4 lug that way), as they work with the legend calipers (I think... I've got a writeup saved somewhere.. maybe hondatech..), I only planned on doing it when I need to change the pads and rotors anyway...

maybe I'll just buy what I know are Nissin for a little more and keep the stock brakes on the lude indefinitely... I wanted to eventually step up at least to vtec rotors, but I don't really want to buy new calipers twice... couldn't pass up on elude's deal for the brembo slotted rotors and hawk pads though (not looking forward to the dirt, but that's okay...) :P

edit: this says that the calipers are the same for all 4th/non-sh 5th gen ludes, other than the bracket... so maybe I could still at least get bigger rotors in the future with these calipers... http://automobile.hondaciviclx.com/s...php?p=46151123

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Re: BRAKES!!! parts - advice?

You're gonna have to check backspacing and rim diameter behind the rims you currently run if you upgrade. The vtec/legend calipers upfront will definitely need more room. How much?

The setup I recommended is overkill for your current setup. I suggested it simply by the fact you're budgeted. You have the hawks and rotors already? Then if they're for the VTEC setup, get the front calipers only. If is all for s/si, then you need only need lines and the calipers.
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Re: BRAKES!!! parts - advice?

The brembo rotors/hawk pads I've got from elude are for the si/h23, so any vtec upgrade will happen when I buy rotors again (that's why I was considering skipping calipers this go round...)... I need everything for the back, and since I won't be going to a bigger rotor in back I should get the rear calipers now...

After almost 250,000 miles and likely neglected for much of that time, I wasn't sure how much to trust those original calipers... I guess there's no telling if they would last another cycle, and since the front calipers are the cheaper ones I should prob. just replace them too... that link to the akebono calipers are being sold for 5+core and 30+core for the fronts (basically half of the nissin)... which is why I was considering them instead so I would not feel as bad about spending more down the road when I upgrade...(they actually come loaded with ProAct pads too... guess I can sell those or the hawks)

You think I should def. go nissin, or would those akebono's do for a few years??? or should I just say "**** it, honda makes a bangin' caliper" and rock the front originals with the risk that they might seize?

speaking of which... I was looking at our new civic si and I noticed it has a def. noticeable gap between pad and rotor... in the lude they have always appeared to be touching... even back when I changed my brakes last time... is that ok/normal?

edit: I also read somewhere that someone with a 4th gen had trouble when they went to legend calipers... their SS brake lines were not quite long enough and they had to buy new ones.... that might discourage me from going to legend calipers... I will still want to do the vtec upgrade though.

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You're all over the place man LOL!

Nissin Calipers and Steel lines and Fluid. Keep the Proact pads for DD. Takes no more than 1hr to swap to hawks. Don't forget the G2 paint! the stuff is so bad ass, you only have 24 hrs after mixing to apply. it becomes a handball like rubber! Ive used all types of paint, that is the only one that gives a warning!
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You're all over the place man LOL!
lol... I always am

You're right though... I should just spend the extra 35 to get the Nissin calipers and call it a day... I'm not that cheap, just feeling broke... maybe a tax check will help with that.

just in case I was not clear, I will be running hawk hps pads up front (already bought them a year ago from elude with the h23/si brembo rotors)... Those cheap akebono calipers come loaded with proact pads, so if I bought when I was considering selling the hawk pads, or the proacts since I would then have two front sets... I am a little ambivalent about the hawks since they are semimetallic and will work on those nice new rotors, but... oh well.

if I buy nice new calipers now I might not upgrade to vtec rotors in the future, unless I find someone who wants to buy the si calipers first...

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OCD? you should see me go car parts/tire shopping. Took me an hour to decide to upgrade my fog lights yesterday. The problem? brighter bulbs for $20 or an entire kit with rock shields for $21.00... so you know I have HID so the fogs serve no purpose...

Also if you can manage to keep the body for another 200k+ miles, might as well have the right calipers and hardware to keep it on the road. So get the calipers unloaded, save up for the AXXIS.
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Re: BRAKES!!! parts - advice?

aight sideswipe.... here's what I've done... prices include shipping...

-Nissin sermi-loaded Centric "preferred"calipers from partsgeek.com for $200 (after I get my core back... 70 bucks). Just hoping I can resale the fronts for something worthwhile if I do the vtec or legend upgrade in a few years.
-Akebono ceramic rear pads for $34 at amazon... too cheap to pass up.... seem to review well.
-Techna-fit SS brake lines $90 at captwholesale.com I could have gotten russells for 95 or goodridge for 109, but all the reviews seemed to say these are as good and have a protective coating/cover... been around for a little while now too... I will post up a review when I get them on.
-Power Slot rear rotors $90 at partsgeek (fyi autopartswarehouse.com has the best deal on brembo blanks... 70 shipped)... I went with the power slots more for the painted hub and protective coating than the slots.
-Again, I still have the front Brembo slotted fronts and Hawk hps pads from elude to go with all this...

I'll let you know when I get everything on... I need to order the G2 paint kit, pick up some fluid, and pull the ABS code to decide if I need to buy sensors or lose the ABS all together.


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Re: BRAKES!!! parts - advice?

Captwholesale didn't know what was up with the brake lines a week and a half in... so they refunded my money...

"Talked" with Import RP (Mike) at Honda-Tech and got Techna-Fit brake lines for $94 and clutch line for $25. I've heard more good things from sellers as I've been looking for lines. They are preferred for their nice protective coating and comparable quality to goodridge, russell, etc... Looking forward to them, and as always I will post a review thread on the lines and link this thread to it like I always (OCD) do....

http://performance.importrp.com/tech.../i-488565.aspx
http://performance.importrp.com/tech.../i-490166.aspx

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That's cool bro, it'll keep you from being seen about Appalachian back trails!

Glad to be of some use, rofl!
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