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Old 10-20-2011, 11:56 PM
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Die Grinder

Hey guys,

I'm about to do some body work on my girlfriends 95 Civic LX and I was wondering what kind of grinder I should get to cut the sheet metal?

She has the typical Honda rot and it's pretty bad.

I was looking at the Dremel 4000 because it would be a nice multi-purpose tool to have, but I'm not sure it would be able to handle cutting auto sheet metal. I'd really prefer this, but I need someone who has it to give me their opinion on it's capability.

Otherwise, I need a 3-4" electric die grinder (not an air tool) and I don't know which are good. I'm not looking to spend a massive amount of money because it will see little use unless it's the Dremel.

P.S. What gauge sheet metal does Honda use and it's definitely not galvanized or Zinc coated, right? I don't want welding shivers!

Thanks in advanced for opinion and such!
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Yoo I possibly have a dremmal drill i gotta find the charger ill let ya know if i do. And also got a kick ass makita that cuts bolts no problems so it should sheet metal lol.
As for the sheet metal size honda uses 20 guage. If you cant find that use 22.
And i would shape the metal and than paint it with some rustoleum etching primer and than put that rubberrized epoxy paint on the back, than just paint normal on the top man.
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If you get yourself a dremmel youll always find use for it though, just saying its such a useful tool on these hondas.
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Yoo I possibly have a dremmal drill i gotta find the charger ill let ya know if i do. And also got a kick ass makita that cuts bolts no problems so it should sheet metal lol.
As for the sheet metal size honda uses 20 guage. If you cant find that use 22.
And i would shape the metal and than paint it with some rustoleum etching primer and than put that rubberrized epoxy paint on the back, than just paint normal on the top man.
I've never done body work before, but I told her dad I would fix it and I intend to. I was pretty sure they used 20 gauge.

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If you get yourself a dremmel youll always find use for it though, just saying its such a useful tool on these hondas.
I really want one, but I can't afford it for ****s-n-giggles. I've got no job and I'm broke!
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If i get the free time i can help ya out, i used to work in a paint and body shop for my first job, when i lived in cali.
Well ****, Can always rent one from sears haha When i say rent i mean buy and than return it after using it. Works every time, gotta love craftsmen products dude.
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If i get the free time i can help ya out, i used to work in a paint and body shop for my first job, when i lived in cali.
Well ****, Can always rent one from sears haha When i say rent i mean buy and than return it after using it. Works every time, gotta love craftsmen products dude.
Well I think her dad intends to buy it for me since I'm obviously doing the work for free
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kickass dude!
Youll def fall in love with the little piece lol. It saved my ass getting my old cat off and some other bolts underneath my old car.
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kickass dude!
Youll def fall in love with the little piece lol. It saved my ass getting my old cat off and some other bolts underneath my old car.
You think a Dremel 4000 can handle small body work?
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The dremel 4k can cut sheet metal no problem. I have the lower model than that and it can cut 17mm bolts clean off with the right grinding disk.
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The dremel 4k can cut sheet metal no problem. I have the lower model than that and it can cut 17mm bolts clean off with the right grinding disk.
Awesome. I think I'll get it then. I want that one specifically because it's not cordless.
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Youll get constant power. But yeah unless your trying to cut stainless steel bolts and **** u need more power, but aluminum side panels on a car no problem. and 20 guage isnt very thick i mean you can shoot a pellet gun through the stuff lol.
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Youll get constant power. But yeah unless your trying to cut stainless steel bolts and **** u need more power, but aluminum side panels on a car no problem. and 20 guage isnt very thick i mean you can shoot a pellet gun through the stuff lol.
Aluminum panels? What Honda do you know that has aluminum sheet metal? It's definitely not aluminum or it wouldn't rust. I'm pretty sure it's just normal 20 gauge carbon steel.
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Dremels are amazing tools hands down. U can always go to a harbor frieght and pick up a cheapo. I bought a $20 grinder (normal circular grinder) and it works great lol
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I'd use a 4-1/2" angle grinder from Harbor Freight with a *quality* 1/8" cutoff wheel. Reason I emphasized quality is that cheap ones explode and kill people.
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dremel = most used tool i own (other than hammers, and my 6 foot cheater bar )
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Lol! Yeah yeah, its really thin 20 guage steel. Feels like aluminum most times how easy it is to dent these things
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I'd use a 4-1/2" angle grinder from Harbor Freight with a *quality* 1/8" cutoff wheel. Reason I emphasized quality is that cheap ones explode and kill people.
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use a full face shield when using and grinding or cutoff tool. you only get one set of eyes hate to lose them while working on a civic.
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dremel = most used tool i own (other than hammers, and my 6 foot cheater bar )
I know the Dremels are great, I just have 2 concerns.

1. Will it be able to handle sheet metal work?

2. How well do the cutoff wheels work/last?

I don't want to go through 6 of them or some shiz.

The biggest reason I didn't want a cheapo Harbor Freight model is because my uncle lost one eye due to a crappy grinder.

If a Dremel and its cutoff wheels can handle it, I'll probably get that. Although, I do wish they made a guard for it that deflected the sparks and possible shards of abrasive disc
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there's special cutoff wheels for the dremel specifically for metal, which last prolly 10x longer than the regular ones supplied. but they're still brittle and break easily if you twist them the wrong way when they're inserted in the slot while cutting, so you just gotta be mindful of that.
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there's special cutoff wheels for the dremel specifically for metal, which last prolly 10x longer than the regular ones supplied. but they're still brittle and break easily if you twist them the wrong way when they're inserted in the slot while cutting, so you just gotta be mindful of that.
Well I will definitely be wearing PPE such as a face mask (I wear glasses), long sleeved shirt, jeans, and nice thick gloves. I figure that should protect me if something goes wrong. I'm just more worried about the Dremel not being capable, but if you guys think it is, I guess it must be, lol.
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The equipment doesn't matter, brand-wise, it's the abrasives that matter.

And I wouldn't use a pu$$y little dremel for cutting a car apart. I'd sawzall that sh!t before using a dremel, lol. Not enough power to really tear into the metal, and the blades are too small and fragile. A Rotozip might be able to hack at it though. Much more manly tool.
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The equipment doesn't matter, brand-wise, it's the abrasives that matter.

And I wouldn't use a pu$$y little dremel for cutting a car apart. I'd sawzall that sh!t before using a dremel, lol. Not enough power to really tear into the metal, and the blades are too small and fragile. A Rotozip might be able to hack at it though. Much more manly tool.
Well I don't have a sawzall and I don't want one. I'm all about precision, not speed. I was considering the Dremel because it will come in handy for many things. A simple die grinder will only cut. So if a Dremel can manage, I wanted one anyways. Besides, it's corded and capable of 35,000 rpm's. Sounds like it would chew through 20 guage metal with the proper abrasive. I've seen people use the 4000 model and cut through piping like it was clay.
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Well I don't have a sawzall and I don't want one. I'm all about precision, not speed. I was considering the Dremel because it will come in handy for many things. A simple die grinder will only cut. So if a Dremel can manage, I wanted one anyways. Besides, it's corded and capable of 35,000 rpm's. Sounds like it would chew through 20 guage metal with the proper abrasive. I've seen people use the 4000 model and cut through piping like it was clay.
The problem with using a Dremel for cutting sheet metal is that you have to be so close to the surface you're trying to cut, due to the small diameter of the cutting wheels. Also, Dremels are the Honda 4 cylinders of tools; they have no torque. Speed doesn't matter when the slightest amount of pressure causes it to bog down.

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying that it isn't the ideal tool for the job.
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The problem with using a Dremel for cutting sheet metal is that you have to be so close to the surface you're trying to cut, due to the small diameter of the cutting wheels. Also, Dremels are the Honda 4 cylinders of tools; they have no torque. Speed doesn't matter when the slightest amount of pressure causes it to bog down.

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying that it isn't the ideal tool for the job.
From what I saw, the discs seemed to be of decent size. I was only wanting 3-4" max anyways. They Dremel 4000, being corded, has a system built in that prevent bogging.
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Re: Die Grinder

Screw these little tools use an acetylene torch!
The dremel will work just fine for this thin metal man. To me if you can use sheers to cut the metal then you'll be able to cut it with the dremel. Like said before use a nice disk.
20 guage is a weird size for metal, if anything I would pick up a feeler guage for sheet metal and measure it. I personally would use 18 guage on the replacement metal, just because it will be a little bit easier to weld. Burn through is so easy on thin metal.
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Re: Die Grinder

Skip the dremel! They are tiring to use outside of pipes, wood, tile and masonry. Sawzall or cutting wheel. Honestly, why are you cutting sheetmetal, when parts are readily available? The truth is there is no cheap die grinder or cutter or sawzall. You want at least 18v system, and 24v for more serious work.

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Nick: you got the 1 1/2" pipe x 6ft breaker bar mod? I got three feet worth to stay practical, but what nuts and bolts require 800-1200lbs of torque?
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