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Why this is not coming to the states

2.2L over 250hp? it's nice to know honda can still make a performance engine or even a car at that. When the s2k went I could not even look at anything they were producing but this little thing...


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they should sell it in the US wtf!!!
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looks mean for a civic

i signed up for a contest to win a 2012 SI but i want this one moar
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Its probably just another nice car for going straight ahead like the VW GTI R32 for example. The combination of the superior front double wishbone suspension that was removed from the Civic around 2000 and the rwd type driving characteristics afforded the driver in the case of the SH (super handling) 5th gen Prelude , would probably mean that a SH DRIVER would have no problem making short shrift of this car in a back road,real world situation.Also I would take a good close look at the new Mugan Civics new engine to see if its putting out honest power and not trading more top end for less low/mid rpm power.If the price paid for additional high end power is the necessity to row this Civics gear box like a boat to keep the torque going to the wheels, then just as in the case of the original 9k rpm engine in the S2000 on the street, its just a bunch of crap for people who like to listen to their exhaust notes.I mean it was not so long ago that sports cars had only had 4 gears.If you have to shift to much, then you will start to feel more like your driving an 18 wheeler and not a sports car and no short shifter you can buy is going to change that.That is the mostly overlooked advantage of VTEC Preludes compared to other VTEC Honda engines that typically have near to 6k rpm changeover points, and Prelude engines in general, is that they are balanced in their low,mid and top rpm performance which is ideal for street use.This may be just another example of an impractical for the street use car tuned to the fancy of those people who just get their rocks off looking at dyno charts.
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looks mean for a civic

i signed up for a contest to win a 2012 SI but i want this one moar
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Its probably just another nice car for going straight ahead like the VW GTI R32 for example. The combination of the superior front double wishbone suspension that was removed from the Civic around 2000 and the rwd type driving characteristics afforded the driver in the case of the SH (super handling) 5th gen Prelude , would probably mean that a SH DRIVER would have no problem making short shrift of this car in a back road,real world situation.Also I would take a good close look at the new Mugan Civics new engine to see if its putting out honest power and not trading more top end for less low/mid rpm power.If the price paid for additional high end power is the necessity to row this Civics gear box like a boat to keep the torque going to the wheels, then just as in the case of the original 9k rpm engine in the S2000 on the street, its just a bunch of crap for people who like to listen to their exhaust notes.I mean it was not so long ago that sports cars had only had 4 gears.If you have to shift to much, then you will start to feel more like your driving an 18 wheeler and not a sports car and no short shifter you can buy is going to change that.That is the mostly overlooked advantage of VTEC Preludes compared to other VTEC Honda engines that typically have near to 6k rpm changeover points, and Prelude engines in general, is that they are balanced in their low,mid and top rpm performance which is ideal for street use.This may be just another example of an impractical for the street use car tuned to the fancy of those people who just get their rocks off looking at dyno charts.

didnt know this civic had 12+ gears....
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Well if you have two of them then technically you have a total of 12 gears.
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Re: Why this is not coming to the states

I love the look of the car, inside and out. Love the power it makes as well. I don't like that it's a K series, but who cares, we'll never see it.
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Its probably just another nice car for going straight ahead like the VW GTI R32 for example. The combination of the superior front double wishbone suspension that was removed from the Civic around 2000 and the rwd type driving characteristics afforded the driver in the case of the SH (super handling) 5th gen Prelude , would probably mean that a SH DRIVER would have no problem making short shrift of this car in a back road,real world situation.Also I would take a good close look at the new Mugan Civics new engine to see if its putting out honest power and not trading more top end for less low/mid rpm power.If the price paid for additional high end power is the necessity to row this Civics gear box like a boat to keep the torque going to the wheels, then just as in the case of the original 9k rpm engine in the S2000 on the street, its just a bunch of crap for people who like to listen to their exhaust notes.I mean it was not so long ago that sports cars had only had 4 gears.If you have to shift to much, then you will start to feel more like your driving an 18 wheeler and not a sports car and no short shifter you can buy is going to change that.That is the mostly overlooked advantage of VTEC Preludes compared to other VTEC Honda engines that typically have near to 6k rpm changeover points, and Prelude engines in general, is that they are balanced in their low,mid and top rpm performance which is ideal for street use.This may be just another example of an impractical for the street use car tuned to the fancy of those people who just get their rocks off looking at dyno charts.
sport suspension, upgraded brakes and a hell of a lot more power means anyone driving this car will quickly dust you. especially if your driving the same a you do in your sweet youtube videos
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Honda`s needs to amp it up! We made Honda. With out us they wouldn`t be making half as much $$$ as they are.
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Its probably just another nice car for going straight ahead like the VW GTI R32 for example. The combination of the superior front double wishbone suspension that was removed from the Civic around 2000 and the rwd type driving characteristics afforded the driver in the case of the SH (super handling) 5th gen Prelude , would probably mean that a SH DRIVER would have no problem making short shrift of this car in a back road,real world situation.Also I would take a good close look at the new Mugan Civics new engine to see if its putting out honest power and not trading more top end for less low/mid rpm power.If the price paid for additional high end power is the necessity to row this Civics gear box like a boat to keep the torque going to the wheels, then just as in the case of the original 9k rpm engine in the S2000 on the street, its just a bunch of crap for people who like to listen to their exhaust notes.I mean it was not so long ago that sports cars had only had 4 gears.If you have to shift to much, then you will start to feel more like your driving an 18 wheeler and not a sports car and no short shifter you can buy is going to change that.That is the mostly overlooked advantage of VTEC Preludes compared to other VTEC Honda engines that typically have near to 6k rpm changeover points, and Prelude engines in general, is that they are balanced in their low,mid and top rpm performance which is ideal for street use.This may be just another example of an impractical for the street use car tuned to the fancy of those people who just get their rocks off looking at dyno charts.
you think so?

My memory of honda is high rpm and superior gear ratios and also a flat torque curve. I feel they (honda) lost there way when they created a pig for an accord and started to try to out perform a maxima that's out of it's class. if they had stuck to what was true to their identity which was what I listed above maybe I'd still own a honda. The closest thing they have a true honda is a TSX which in every other region of the world is the true accord. TSX typ e R or Type S would be nice... but what did honda do??? they made a special edition and made it 3-6k more than the standard tsx... just gave it a ricey looking body kit.

I have a good friend that works for honda. In His own words he told me, "Don't even think about buying one. They just trying to push units." Nothing is wrong with this business approach but selling out while doing it in my opinion... well that's another story.

back on topic lol

I'm just sort of impress that a performance fwd car can come from honda, even though it's mugen it's still a honda.

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I think this car would do every well state side. it's right in line the mazdaspeed3, R32 Vdub as someone mentioned before and can also maybe just maybe pull a few sti buyers in the process. But it'll never happen. honda is too scared to defend themselves.

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Why bring this up Ace? I've been Honda-less for about 5 years. I can't support a company that can make an NSX, Prelude, Rsx, discontinue the cars and not even attempt a Lotus killer, a turbo crz, a Fit SiR, or a decent truck. It don't need to pull a yacht behind it, but a turbo ivtec, like the F-series from ford.

So many platforms, not one even begs for my money. Meanwhile GM is just throwing out car after car that gets my attention. Right now, I'm digging the Sonics and Cruze Turbos. And a part of me hates myself because I love hondas from the yesteryear, where they had something to prove.

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If I recall 5th gear tested the Mugen Civic RR and it out paced a s2K on a short track.


What to know why it won't come to the US,
It is because no one would buy it.

Lets stop and think, Honda made 1500 Mugen Civics in the US back in '08, they MSRP at 33K!!! Which was the same price for a s2000, STi or a EVO at that time. Why would you pay 33K for a Civic, soo they sat on the lot for a long time.

So this Mugen Civic type R 2.2 would most likely MSRP for over $50K. So again it would not sell.
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True Dwend, but I didn't buy a 33k civic because you had to buy the appearance package. If Honda chose another tuner like Amuse, or Opera that only put grunt under the hood, different outcome. Again, Honda put it's own cars against itself. First the prelude, now specialty civics.

50k? Damn not even in the Forties huh? LOL, that's the base trim. Navigation is another 4k. Isn't anyone else irritated by this option?
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^exactly!

I love the mugen type r already and I would love to get one.. If it was like 30k

But it gonna be waay more.. And it's honestly not worth the money..
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I'd rather just get a 92 - 96 hatch and boost the lug nuts off of it.
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I really like where this thread is going. I may not have witnessed Honda's vehicles come out of the lots during their heyday, but I did grow up through the time when these vehicles began to die off. Auto manufacturers were at their best bringing out top level sports cars. As a child I witnessed them fly by me and as I grew older, they disappeared, slowly they weren't as common on the road. Eventually they weren't available from the dealerships and the dull world of emission regulations and safety standards unmercifully came down upon the car industry. Because of this cars grew larger and heavier, there just isn't any drama in a car anymore. The digital age has come. As for me I would rather live analog. I'll have a classic, I'll have my Prelude any day.

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Before anybody cans the current model CTR remember that they are faster around Motegi circuit than the NSX was, so by no means are they slow or poor handling.

But the main reason they won't sell the FN2 stateside is that platform is made in the Swindon, England facility and is RHD only.
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Damn Colin, stick around for more than 8 minutes! Yeah, nothing like throwing in a LHD conversion ontop of the already exuberant pricetag. Oh well. Why not use CRV dash parts? I know the ep3 civic and crv were built in England too. Let me wake up. Then go back to bed.
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Its because they're assholes. IMO, there's not been a car sold in the U.S. made worth a damn since 2001 when they stopped production of the prelude. All you can get nowdays is mexican made "American" cars like dodge, ford, gm. And everything those people make sucks ass. Why do they try to put the same engine in every car and use the same unibody frame for every car and throw different panels on it and call it another model, when in actuality they are all the same cars.And then they create all this hype about a ****ty motor that happens to have a tiny turbo and sell the piss out of them. Its like the cobalt and the cavalier, same car, different emblems and lights plus a turbo on the worst engine i can think of besides a stock 301 pontiac. Its a cavalier with a turbo is all it is, and everyone thinks they are so bad. If a companies gonna make a turbo car they could at least give it some balls. Most preludes stock for stock will even outrun them gst eclipses and they have a turbo. Why do they do that? And then when honda finally makes something bad ass they decide not to send it to america when it would easily outsale gm, ford, and dodge. Bastards.
And almost every car looks the same now. you go to toyota and could easily mistake a camry for a ford pos. BTW Ford stole the headlights for the fusion from the 5th gen prelude, and you can tell by looking at them. These guys over here are cheap copy cat bastards that have no imagination and cant design something on their own. I wont buy from them. If I had to have a vehicle and my only options were to either buy from them or speend 300,000 importing a stock civic dx from 1993, I'd spend 300,000 importing a stock jdm civic dx before i'd buy a new american car no matter how cheap it was, unless it was free, then id take that free brand new gm to the crusher and buy a junkyard beater.
I'm done ranting now.

As far as trucks go i do not feel this same way, i like a 2001 extended cab Z71 pretty damn good.
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Its because they're assholes. IMO, there's not been a car sold in the U.S. made worth a damn since 2001 when they stopped production of the prelude. All you can get nowdays is mexican made "American" cars like dodge, ford, gm. And everything those people make sucks ass. Why do they try to put the same engine in every car and use the same unibody frame for every car and throw different panels on it and call it another model, when in actuality they are all the same cars.And then they create all this hype about a ****ty motor that happens to have a tiny turbo and sell the piss out of them. Its like the cobalt and the cavalier, same car, different emblems and lights plus a turbo on the worst engine i can think of besides a stock 301 pontiac. Its a cavalier with a turbo is all it is, and everyone thinks they are so bad. If a companies gonna make a turbo car they could at least give it some balls. Most preludes stock for stock will even outrun them gst eclipses and they have a turbo. Why do they do that? And then when honda finally makes something bad ass they decide not to send it to america when it would easily outsale gm, ford, and dodge. Bastards.
And almost every car looks the same now. you go to toyota and could easily mistake a camry for a ford pos. BTW Ford stole the headlights for the fusion from the 5th gen prelude, and you can tell by looking at them. These guys over here are cheap copy cat bastards that have no imagination and cant design something on their own. I wont buy from them. If I had to have a vehicle and my only options were to either buy from them or speend 300,000 importing a stock civic dx from 1993, I'd spend 300,000 importing a stock jdm civic dx before i'd buy a new american car no matter how cheap it was, unless it was free, then id take that free brand new gm to the crusher and buy a junkyard beater.
I'm done ranting now.

As far as trucks go i do not feel this same way, i like a 2001 extended cab Z71 pretty damn good.
300,000 Pesos? LOL We have the 93' Civic DX in America. I'm partially confused about your post, I do agree with you, that many cars are just the same ones with different skins.
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Re: Why this is not coming to the states

that wing looks retarded, and honda probably isn't making any luxury crazy fast cars because the market for people who want those types of cars is low. Everyone's in the game for money, not to satisfy 1% of the population
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That new civic looks like a complete atrocity.
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Sorry again green machine: the last SS colbolt and G5 (rest in peace) did not share the same engine setup. The SS was Turbo, the G5 GT was a screamer NA, rsx-type build. And you could order it with or without leather. Maybe the everyday versions? The thread isn't about those. G5 might still use the ss turbo kit for power, but It came with the better setup.

I don't like fords, only GM trucks. You can get an Allison transmission with the Duramax. Even the 4L80e is beast. That is a truck. I was referring to the asthmatic Honda ridgeline, not even making 300lbs torque. I want some contenders from Honda.

As far as mexico is concerned, The new camaros are built in Australia. Another reason for not bribing over the mugen type r is depreciation. GM for example pulled strings to bring back the GTO. The car cost more than when it was bought. Anyone who bought the car and got into an accident, would have a total loss. Honda don't want that fiasco. They're trying to stay ahead of any costly recalls, and so on.

There is a reason cars wind up in the junkyard, same reason people sell theirs used: they're uninformed, lazy, buttheads that drive their cars, relying on insurance to cover them. Why enthusiasts have to rescue cars all the damn time? Pizza delivery cars for example, they don't leave the assembly line looking like crap, but you see them idling poorly behind the guy. One day I see an STI meeting that same fate.

Back on topic: no point getting burnt on no Mugen Type R, not coming. I'm up to my neck in cars, both in great condition. You might not like American, but they are giving people what they want. And from this decade, not the 90's.
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^^^Completely agree with you. I can not see myself buying another honda again unless its an older one. All new honda's are completely overpriced, most have poor performance ratings and just arent worth the money. I mean, look at how much you can get a slightly used gto for nowadays. Now look at a slightly used civic si. Your gonna pay just as much, if not more for an inferior car. I can already tell that my next car will be something american made. Like sideswipe said, theyre giving ppl what they want. Like the new 5.0 mustangs. Theres no way that honda can compete with american made cars anymore unless they start bringing back performance cars into their lineup. Even tho they will most likely be completely overpriced for a car that makes what? Like 200whp? Not worth it imo.
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Honda`s needs to amp it up! We made Honda. With out us they wouldn`t be making half as much $$$ as they are.
In fact, though, that's not true. People buying Accords, Civic sedans, and Odysseys fuel Honda's bottom line, and their engineering credentials owe more to Formula 1 and IndyCar than to anything seen on the floor at SEMA. Other than the occassional low-volume exercise from Mugen, Honda as a company never really embraced the street tuner market in the United States like Nissan, Toyota, or VW -- even connectivity to privateers is carefully limited. That's not to say no one in Honda gives a rat's tail, but corporately, it's a not a factor. They're making design and production decisions based on different markets, and those wanting to make more of their products will have to adapt as before.
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