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Icon1 SH DRIVER looks at oil filters for your VTEC engine

Sticky maybe ?: First of all lets look at an oil filters individual parts and the requirements of each of the parts on your VTEC engine.

1: anti drain back valve:
This is a one way valve that keeps oil from draining out of the oil filter when the engine is not running. If oil is allowed to drain backward out of the filter ,then a lot of filtered muck can flow back into your oil pan and the oil filter will have to be refiled on each start up which will retard the build up of oil pressure on start which is not good.The VTEC engine needs the better silicon valve because its filter is pointed down. Other engines that have their filters sideways or pointed up can make do with just a plane rubber anti drain back valve.

2: Pressure relief valve . People who live in cold climates, use oil thicker then 5w30, or like to red line their cold engines need to make sure they have a high quality valve or they may end up in some situations starving their engines of oil or even destroying their oil filter element if the valve does not operate correctly.

3: Filter body construction:
The rule of thumb for oil pressure seems to be 10psi per 1000 rpm.
That means that owner of 7400 rpm engines requires a more ridged filter case in order to prevent oil pressure fluctuations do to the flexing of the container compared to engines with 6300 or 6500 rpm lower red lines because of the high oil pressures the VTEC engine is running at.

4: Filter performance:
All filters are rated to filter 20 micron or better.
Modern engines are built to a 25 micron standard so even the worse filters have a 25% margin of error. Because filter construction is not always perfect, buying a filter that uses synthetic fibers that filters better then 20 microns would worth the money to me.

Special high performance applications:
Its interesting to see what the pros do on 10k rpm Honda racing engines to prevent oil pressure fluctuations.

1: Easy mod: They install a rubber hose clamp around the outside of the Honda oil filter case to reduce flex.(remember 10psi per 1000 rpms)

2:They insulate the exhaust pipe where it runs near the oil pan so it won't cook the oil in the pan that can result in oil pressure fluctuations.

3:They use a Honda oil filter that has the same diameter but is SHORTER to reduce oil pressure fluctuation.Apparently the oil pressure regulator compensates for the slightly increased back pressure caused by the smaller oil filter I guess.

My guess is that unless you have a custom built engine with a 8500 rpm rev limit like ogsmakdade, these oil pressure related enhancements would probably be a little overkill and not worth doing but its your call.

I am presently using a FRAM Tough Guard which is the same as a Honeywell built Honda OEM filter but plan to switch over to a Purolator filter in the future because its quality/price seems to be the best.

Interesting LINKS for you to read:

Opinions and Recommendations - Oil Filters Revealed - MiniMopar Resources

Inside the Honda PLM-A02 Oil Filter - D-series.org

Tech Review: The Long Waited FRAM OIL FILTER REVIEW! - Automotive Social | DSLReports Forums

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AMSOIL - By-pass Oil Filter Mounting Kits

Go for the dual filter relocation kit: worth it's weight in gold
The best oil filtration company. If I truly worried about high pressure and drainback, this company would have tons of my money. They use filters that run on commercial diesel applications, racing, and high pressure systems, and set it up for cars and light trucks.
But you should stay away from fram for now on. They keep cutting corners on their filters. Mobil 1 is a decent middlepack and approved by Honda. Also the green filters from japan are made just for Honda. The brand is HAMP synergy oil filters

JDM Honda Hamp Synergy Oil Filter Green

They cover just about everything Honda makes. Worth every cent. Wix and Napa are also good, but hard to come by in NYC. I currently have purolator pure one filter, oil still clean, but I haven't considered putting the filter under a stress test. Don't need to.
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Re: SH DRIVER looks at oil filters for your VTEC engine

My dad has been using FRAM for as long as he can remember and I do the same. Never once had an issue on ANY vehicle with them, so I will stick with it.

Thanks for the information though.

/Edit to SHDRIVER

Just to point it out also the three links you posted are all at least 2 & 1/2 years old and technology changes.

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My dad is also 55 years old for anyone thinking he has been using FRAM for a small amount of time.
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I'm not out bash fram filters, but upon searching the web for info on fram, whew! That's alot of hate. Too much to ignore. I took one complete oil change to figure out what filter to buy. I'm pretty made-up on mobil one and purolator pure one filters, (definitely more money than fram filters) if I had the loot, I'd be running an amsoil filter system. But every autopart store I go to has fram stocked so it's gotta be doing something right.

But the Honda Hamps hit the target dead on.
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I'm not out bash fram filters, but upon searching the web for info on fram, whew! That's alot of hate. Too much to ignore. I took one complete oil change to figure out what filter to buy. I'm pretty made-up on mobil one and purolator pure one filters, (definitely more money than fram filters) if I had the loot, I'd be running an amsoil filter system. But every autopart store I go to has fram stocked so it's gotta be doing something right.

But the Honda Hamps hit the target dead on.
Yeah I'm not trying to start some giant argument I was just wanted to post something to create a discussion. I am sure the Hamps are awesome but for now I am sticking to what has worked. Hell, my dad even uses FRAM filters on his boat (1973 Cobalt with a 350 SBC) and I believe he uses them on my mom's 67 SS Chevelle (396 BBC).
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Re: SH DRIVER looks at oil filters for your VTEC engine

I use honda filters only. My oil pressure never gets to a dangerous level, even over 8k rpm. The shorter honda filters don't tend to have much flex at all.

Why don't we all dip our filters in rhino lining like fram? lol
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Anyone using a S2000 filter?
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BBC ftw! What's the carb setup for the 396? Jezzus that's a big motor, the carburetors are just intimidating! Mona (LS1) has a tiny oil filter, figured gm gave it a short body for the flex too. Before I discovered jiffy lube as wallet raping me, I'd get the penzoil brand with the synth change. But I did the dumb thing one day and whipped out a calculator: saved 30 bucks diy and get the stuff I want so aug 2010 as the last time I had the little reminder on my glass. On any of my cars.

S2000 has something different than HAMP? Champion labs (k&n gold / mobil one) are pretty tight, thought Honda used a repainted version of the filter Stateside. Let me look that up. Brb!

Edit: Fram / Honeywell supply filters to Honda. There is also the filter I'm talking about the part # is 15400 plm ao1 made by filtec. This is the one Honda tuners want. Also I researched royal purple filters, I hear nothing but great news. Anyone use them?
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BBC ftw! What's the carb setup for the 396? Jezzus that's a big motor, the carburetors are just intimidating! Mona (LS1) has a tiny oil filter, figured gm gave it a short body for the flex too. Before I discovered jiffy lube as wallet raping me, I'd get the penzoil brand with the synth change. But I did the dumb thing one day and whipped out a calculator: saved 30 bucks diy and get the stuff I want so aug 2010 as the last time I had the little reminder on my glass. On any of my cars.
It's just a simple holley four barrel on an edelbrock intake, its a numbers matching car so my mom/dad want to keep it as stock as possible (the original carb and intake is sitting in the attic).
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I use honda filters only. My oil pressure never gets to a dangerous level, even over 8k rpm. The shorter honda filters don't tend to have much flex at all.

Why don't we all dip our filters in rhino lining like fram? lol
The type of oil pressure fluctuations the pros are trying to prevent probably occur in a time measured in milliseconds and the way they monitor such fluctuations is probably with an oscilloscope connected to a oil pressure sensor that is of the type that feeds an analog meter I would guess.At very high rpms ,even short spikes or dips in oil pressure can be troublesome when your running no margin for error,10k rpms .
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It isn't the spikes that destroy the filter, but the duration of the pressure. If the filter element has more flow, the less pressure you have to worry about. The more dense the element, the better the filtration. You have to choose the perfect combination. Mobil one and hamp are double duty, and gives peace of mind. You spend how much making your car awsome, why not go for a better filter? Personally, I like the 5000 mile intervals on mobil one oil/filter setups. Fram uber extended milage filter (the gray ones) also offer premium filtration.
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Anyone using a S2000 filter?
Over here the filter they give you for an S2000 has the same part number as the filter they give you for a Prelude...
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