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Old 03-07-2011, 09:33 AM
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I need some feedback on my situation

Ok, so I am new to the world of Preludes, and Honda cars in general. About a month ago I purchased a 98 SH with 160K mi on it, and since i bought it, ive done a bunch of maintenance work as far as changing all fluids, replacing ball joints, wheel bearings, adj valves, replaced timing belt, etc... I am relatively satisfied with the car, other than i can tell that the engine is getting a little tired, considering the mileage, and as of last week 5th gear went out (i am thinking the synchro broke, it happened very suddenly).

Now, here is my dilemma. I found an engine and trans for the car. Its a 98 prelude block, Darton sleeved, JE 9:1 pistons, crower rods, +1mm valves, ti springs and retainers, and i believe it was crower? cams... but they are a stage 3 (?) turbo cam. I know that there will be more questions on the motor... and I am trying to get some more info on it, but i do know that it was built with all new parts and its never been started or even installed in a car. The trans is a JDM lsd. It also comes with a wiring harness, swap mounts, and swap axles. Like i said, i am trying to get some more info on the specifics of the engine, but the guy wants $3k for everything.

What all would i need for this engine to go into my car? is it a different computer since i have atts? I have stock axles and mounts... i would probably need some better axles and mounts since this engine is relatively built, right? If i do get this engine, i will definitely be putting a turbo on it at some point, but i am going to save up for good parts, i will not go ebay with a turbo kit. Will this engine run ok without any boost?

Also, i am trying to see how much $$ i am going to have wrapped up in this swap. Obviously its gonna cost $3k for the setup, but how much more $ am i going to have to drop to do this right? And what am i looking at as far as resale value on my stock parts (engine with 160k on it, trans with no 5th and all of the atts parts, my harness, the 3 sets of swap axles, and the swap mounts)??

Sorry about such a long post but i really appreciate any feedback, positive or negative, about my situation.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:46 PM
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Re: I need some feedback on my situation

You could just get a new transmission (but you probably wont keep ATTS) or rebuild yours (then you will keep ATTS).

But that motor he is selling you was built for a turbo, if you wanna spend another couple grand or so and put a turbo setup in it then that would be the perfect motor, your "computer" should be fine with that motor. But if you get it and turbo it you will probably want to switch to a P28 or a P72 ecu so that you can get a good tune.
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Re: I need some feedback on my situation

I was considering the rebuild route on the trans, but it wont be too long until im going to need to rebuild the engine as well. And if i rebuild the engine, i would be doing a lot of the mods to it that are already done to the engine that i am looking at buying... that is kinda why i want to pick it up because there is no way that i can buy the parts and get all of that machining work done for $3k... plus i will have my stock parts to sell to get some of that money back.
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Re: I need some feedback on my situation

There is no point in owning an sh without atts, it's cars only advantage that can't be swapped onto a base easily. If you are going to get rid of the atts just buy another car. It's the only way that's worth it.

My advice to you is to buy a type-s swap or just rebuild your tranny
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Re: I need some feedback on my situation

Yes, the engine is fairly well built, parts wise. The engine has low compression though, was built for turbo. Without a turbo it isn't going to make much power compared to a type S swap, or rebuilding yours. Also, is the engine a H22a, or an H22a4? Difference being open or closed deck. If it was done to a open deck engine(H22a4), then it wont hold up as well as if it was done to a closed deck block. That is why everyone swaps to a JDM engine. I believe the engine swap is worth the 3K asking, but not for your application. You will spend another $500 in misc parts, oil, belts, hoses, spark plugs,spark plug wires, gaskets, etc.

Also, if the other transmission is used, the synchros may be heavily warn already, and you could end up replacing/rebuilding that transmission as well once the swap is done. Synchro's dont cost that much. You can also still shift into a gear if the synchro is bad, just takes practice/skill (double clutching helps). I drove a honda with bad synchros in 2, 3, and 4th gear for 2 years with no problems.
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Re: I need some feedback on my situation

Thanks for the feedback guys...

I've decided to pass on that engine. I see that it is going to cost me some big $$$ to do it right. I did pick up a used trans & atts unit with 90K on it for $300. So now I am thinking that i will just pull the engine and do a rebuild on it. All new bearings, pistons, the usual rebuild stuff.

If i am doing it this way than I am going to keep the engine relatively mild, and keep it NA. I am thinking 11:1 pistons, and keeping most of the other stuff stock. Stock ratio is 10:1 correct? Other than that i would like to pick up some cams. I am not planning on sleeving the block... would it be a good idea to get one of those block guard's from supertech? As far as the head, if I am doing cams, i am assuming that i should atleast look into a good set of springs and retainers... should i look into aftermarket valves as well?

Also, as far as machine work goes, what should i be looking forward to? Obviously i do not have it apart to see how bad things are, but worst case, i am probably looking at an overbore, decking the head and block, and what else?

I am planning on doing most of this work myself, ive build countless street bike, dirt bike, and quad engines, and i have all of the tools and resources to do things the right way.
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You could just get a new transmission (but you probably wont keep ATTS) or rebuild yours (then you will keep ATTS).
Why wouldn't he keep ATTS if he bought a new trans? He would only lose ATTS if he bought a base trans, and that would not mate with the SH block anyway. And rebuilding it would be more expensive than buying a remanned trans.
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