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natural or boost my h22a?

I have a 94 lude that has the h22a in it. I'm curious about everyone's opinion about if its better to just keep it natural aspirated or boost it. I'm wanting to beat a b18 boosted and trying to figure out what the best way is to do this. I was thinking port and Polish the head and put bigger cams in her but I don't want to waste my money on that if its just easier to boost it.
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Re: natural or boost my h22a?

Either way you are going to spend an a-s-s load of money. You can get much more power by boosting. I probably wouldn't go much above 300hp if you're boosting though because it will be hard to get the power to the ground, you might just spin the whole time. If you have the money boost it IMO, others might have a different opinion though. If you are just trying to boost to beat another ride though don't even worry about it, save your money.
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If you are just trying to boost to beat another ride though don't even worry about it, save your money.
Agreed.

However, in my opinion, you'd need to do some building before boosting anyways. If our engines [h22's] were designed to be boosted, they'd come stock that way. Sure you can run low boost and get away with it, but when it comes to that stuff its better to spend the money anyways.
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Agreed.

However, in my opinion, you'd need to do some building before boosting anyways. If our engines [h22's] were designed to be boosted, they'd come stock that way. Sure you can run low boost and get away with it, but when it comes to that stuff its better to spend the money anyways.

In order to have a good block to boost with an H22 you need to have the block sleeved period. Like I said it's not cheap, but that is also the case NA.
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Re: natural or boost my h22a?

don't build an engine just to beat someone else. and differant cams and port and polish will help in any application
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Re: natural or boost my h22a?

Ok because I was planning on boosting it by putting a 60 trim Turbo on it and just run about 4 pounds for a little while I save up for stronger internals and sleeve the cylinders. Running 3 to 4 pounds wouldn't hurt nothing I wouldn't think would it?
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Re: natural or boost my h22a?

yeah it would hurt your wallet and waste your time
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Re: natural or boost my h22a?

Personally I wouldn't boost an H22 block without building it, it's not like the F-series blocks with iron sleeves..With a little bit of power you will end up wanting more power and "I can probably turn up the boost just a little bit more and it won't hurt nothing"...attitude will shortly follow after you get beat again. Save yourself the trouble and wait to do it right, or you'll be spending money on a new motor too.
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Re: natural or boost my h22a?

throw a balanced h23 crank in there, no replacement for displacement
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lol yes there is

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Re: natural or boost my h22a?

Guys he can easily boost his motor on stock internals. He doesn't have to build it. There's plenty of stock h22's that are boosted and have ran for a very long time. I'm on my phone so i can't look for it right now, but blake(98vtec) said he has seen a guy making like over 400whp and it has made plenty of passes on the stock motor. It's all in the tune. Get you a good tuner and you'll be fine bro. Just make sure your motor is healthy first. I'll look for the link once I get home in the morning. Oh and btw, I'm not saying that I recommend boosting the hell outta your stock motor. Just saying it has been done.

Edit: Here is the thread. Conversation starts near the bottom of the page and kinda continues on the next page. This doesnt show the actual build but 98vtec says the guys screen name is stoopid. Im sure if you looked it up. you could probably find the build.

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Ok because I was planning on boosting it by putting a 60 trim Turbo on it and just run about 4 pounds for a little while I save up for stronger internals and sleeve the cylinders. Running 3 to 4 pounds wouldn't hurt nothing I wouldn't think would it?
I think you should probably build first. If you have to do it anyway to get good boost then why run 4 pounds and might blow, when you could build it and then when you get more money throw as much boost as you want then you can
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Re: natural or boost my h22a?

It really depends on what you are looking for. Are you looking for slightly N/A, or full blown N/A? Slight boost or full blown boost?

If you are looking for slight N/A, new cams, intake, maybe port match the heads, etc. If you are looking for full blown N/A, now we're talking prolly sleeves, pistons, crank, etc.

Pretty much the same with turbo. The more horse you are looking to get, the more money you will spend.


However, I think there is a general consensus that the horsepower per dollar spent ratio is better with boost.


And my personal opinion is if you are going to be running 400whp with boost, it might be a good idea to upgrade the motor to make it more reliable. If I was going to go boost, I'd be running as much cfm/psi as I can within my budget while still being streetable. So prolly in excess of 15-20psi. And I would definitely resleeve it, all new internals, new valvetrain. Even if I wasn't upgrading, I'd still want new parts.

But thats my personal opinion. I don't know much about boost, so its hard to describe what I'd be aiming for, but you get the gist.
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Re: natural or boost my h22a?

I was just going to put the Turbo on and get a boost controller take it down to 0 and drive it to zero lift if any of you all have heard of them and let them tune it from there but like I said I'm scared of blowing the engine
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Do a compression test and leakdown test on your motor first to determine how healthy it is. If its healthy, your safe for boost. Read up on turbo info to find out how much boost on what turbo you will be good for. Just be sure to get your car tuned after the turbo kit is installed. That is the most important thing. TUNE IT!!!
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Yup. Biggest thing is to get it tuned BEFORE you drive it. Once the turbo is fully installed and ready to go, tow it to a tuning shop and have them tune it.
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It really depends on what you are looking for. Are you looking for slightly N/A, or full blown N/A? Slight boost or full blown boost?

If you are looking for slight N/A, new cams, intake, maybe port match the heads, etc. If you are looking for full blown N/A, now we're talking prolly sleeves, pistons, crank, etc.

Pretty much the same with turbo. The more horse you are looking to get, the more money you will spend.


However, I think there is a general consensus that the horsepower per dollar spent ratio is better with boost.




And my personal opinion is if you are going to be running 400whp with boost, it might be a good idea to upgrade the motor to make it more reliable. If I was going to go boost, I'd be running as much cfm/psi as I can within my budget while still being streetable. So prolly in excess of 15-20psi. And I would definitely resleeve it, all new internals, new valvetrain. Even if I wasn't upgrading, I'd still want new parts.

But thats my personal opinion. I don't know much about boost, so its hard to describe what I'd be aiming for, but you get the gist.
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Re: natural or boost my h22a?

Well I just want slight boost I don't want a race car you know what I mean
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Yea lol, I'm in engine class right now and we're doing a lot of V6's and V8's, as well as I4's and I6's, so it's all kind of swirling around in there.

And my book calls it "match porting" instead of "port matching." Thought that was interesting. Maybe a typo.
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Well I just want slight boost I don't want a race car you know what I mean
DO what you want and there will always be someone willing to give you some info here at PZ. Sounds like you already had your mind made up though so I am wondering why you even created this thread in the 1st place
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yeah lol ive always heard it as port matching...interesting

and 94vtec,leavemdroolin has a point your justifying your question as if you have made up your mind

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Re: natural or boost my h22a?

Well I've always wanted to boost a car but I've been looking around and I've been told that the h22 s easier to have more horsepower and torque by natural instead of boosting it plus I know more About NA than turbos so I think I'm just gonna go with NA
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Re: natural or boost my h22a?

cams, valve train,a good I/H/E set up,some port matching or match porting or whatever its called, and a good tune should give you a few more HP and make it fun to drive
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Ok thanks I've got one more question though if I were to get cams for it would I need bigger springs and retainers and all that stuff just like I would with a v8?
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Ok thanks I've got one more question though if I were to get cams for it would I need bigger springs and retainers and all that stuff just like I would with a v8?
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Re: natural or boost my h22a?

if you go with a stage one then you should be fine just look and see what the manufacture says. stage two and up yes you will deff need new springs and retainers
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Re: natural or boost my h22a?

the way im built after these camshafts im pullin on V6 eclipses all day. and thats w.o a tune (waiting to get an obd1 swap before i cough up $$ for tunes)
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