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hood tilt

does anyone know how to do the jdm hood tilt
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hmmm maybe some hood dampers, should give it a bit of a lift plus at least you get use out of it instead of being just for looks.
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I think I heard of people just stacking washers under the hinge so that it would appear lifted near the windshield
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Washers under the hinges is the easiest and cheapest way to do it
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i made my own brackets with portions of sheetmetal and painted them black to blend in. I had the washers before and it wasnt very stable.

i've got mine lifted a good bit tho.
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this is suppose to do what? help cooling or something? Do jdm cars really come like that? I have seen many pics of rhd jdm cars and i have never noticed the hood looking like that
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i made my own brackets with portions of sheetmetal and painted them black to blend in. I had the washers before and it wasnt very stable.

i've got mine lifted a good bit tho.

sorry to thread jack ,but are those the stock rims, if so they are bangin
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^^Yeh, painted stockies.

Lifting the rear of the hood like that is supposed to improve airflow in the engine bay. Unless you're running an extremely high power setup, or driving it hard for a long time, then it's purely for looks.

On a cf or black hood it looks pretty cool, but looks crap (read: people will ask 'why isn't your hood fitting properly?') when the whole deal is colour coded.
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Actually it doesn't improve airflow at all. For ITB's it's great. It will have the same effect as a cowl induction hood. Being it's so close to the window. The pressure build you have at the bottom of the windshield is far greater then that of the engine bay, thus causing it to be forced back in.

For cooling? Not soo good

For ITB's? It's decent enough

For looks? Meh it's ugly.

Now if you want to improve the under hood temps... You can do a numerous amount of things. You could add an air scoop like the one the Lancer Evo8 has (that is specifically designed to let air out), you could also make a custom skid plate/flat bottom and make sure your engine bay isn't getting any air from under neath. Then cut some sort of air "outlet" near the back side of the hood.... Or vise versa.
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Actually it doesn't improve airflow at all. For ITB's it's great. It will have the same effect as a cowl induction hood. Being it's so close to the window. The pressure build you have at the bottom of the windshield is far greater then that of the engine bay, thus causing it to be forced back in.

For cooling? Not soo good

For ITB's? It's decent enough

For looks? Meh it's ugly.

Now if you want to improve the under hood temps... You can do a numerous amount of things. You could add an air scoop like the one the Lancer Evo8 has (that is specifically designed to let air out), you could also make a custom skid plate/flat bottom and make sure your engine bay isn't getting any air from under neath. Then cut some sort of air "outlet" near the back side of the hood.... Or vise versa.
i am sure that it will improve under hood temps over not having any lift at all...iirc, the 5th gens have a grill type mesh in the front, between the headlights?? while in motion, air should enter the bay through this and will now have a means of exiting the bay via the lift (the air "outlet" which you refer to)...its a simple matter of air in air out...i have a 4th gen and we have the nostrils which would allow for this to a lesser extent, due to the size differences...

true that this mod may not be the most effective way to reduce under hood temps, but it doesn't hurt...just imagine this lift mod with a properly wrapped header...i am 100% positive that this would result in lower temps...
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Bro, trust me.... it has the same effect as a cowl induction hood. Research then correct me
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Bro, trust me.... it has the same effect as a cowl induction hood. Research then correct me
point me to the research you have done then. I dont trust anyone on the internet until it is proven.

even if it does create vacuum, your still sucking in cooler air than what is inside the engine bay. Thus getting a cooler vacuum at two points instead of one. Makes sense to me atleast. Plus i lifted mine to give my hood some more gap between the header.

Makes the car more aggressive looking, IMO. Especially with the right suspension stance.

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^^Yeh, painted stockies.

Lifting the rear of the hood like that is supposed to improve airflow in the engine bay. Unless you're running an extremely high power setup, or driving it hard for a long time, then it's purely for looks.

On a cf or black hood it looks pretty cool, but looks crap (read: people will ask 'why isn't your hood fitting properly?') when the whole deal is colour coded.
blake, way to distract the thread with your dope painted stockies
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point me to the research you have done then. I don't trust anyone on the internet until it is proven.

even if it does create vacuum, your still sucking in cooler air than what is inside the engine bay. Thus getting a cooler vacuum at two points instead of one. Makes sense to me at least. Plus i lifted mine to give my hood some more gap between the header.

Makes the car more aggressive looking, IMO. Especially with the right suspension stance.
Don't believe me, Find out for yourself.

The highest pressure area on your car is where the hood area meets the windshield and the rear of the car. This is why people add scoops so far back on hoods, the curvature of the windshield causes such a high pressure of air, the further back the scoop is toward the cowl, the better the "intake" of air that goes into your engine bay, filter, ITB's or whatever.

The best way to mount a scoop to let air in is to either get it higher then the boundary layer (the slower moving air next to the surface of the moving object) or below it like a NACA scoop. (Those scoops like on the NSX brake scoops)..... now that we got that sorted out.

The stock 5th gen setup has a great cooling system and decent aerodynamics. The front grill allows for air flow to get into the engine bay and escape under the car. It's doing it's job. By adding more air out behind the engine with out proper venting you're just causing a disturbance in the air flow.

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i think you are over-analyzing this....you talk about disturbing air flow...last time i looked underneath my 4th gen, i had plastic covers that would appear to not allow air to vent via underneath the car like you mentioned...on top of that, on a 5th gen, the air entering via the front grill hitting everything behind it is a disturbance, so i have no idea how you draw a straight line of air flow from the grill to under the car....
on the other hand, lifting the hood slightly provides a more simple and direct airpath right over the engine bay with an exit point at the newly created space you've created by lifting the hood...like i said earlier, its a simple matter of air in air out...its not going to create a stale-aired environment or anything where any type of disturbance is going to matter...its simply adding another exit route for the hot air...
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What about the high pressure area right where the hood meets the windshield? It's not as easy as letting air in and out. Let me put it very simple so that "you" can understand.

Remember old muscle cars? Do you understand what "Cowl Induction Hoods" are?

http://www.glasstek.com/Gallery/9397camaro4CIHD4.jpg

They had air feeding theyre multiple carbs or single carb or top hat filter through there. That's were they gained most of the fresh air. There was no cold air intake, no Ram air setups before (pontiac introduced the ram air setup... which is something else that you shouldn't do. There is this great explination of it on P RELUDEPOWER.COM!!!!)

Now you tell me how in the world will you let air out? Especially if there is a high pressure area right there.

Dude, wow I explain it over and over again and still this.

Like I said research before you correct. And I'm not over analyzing anything. It's just standard physics. I have seen under numerous amounts of preludes... but whatever. If you "explain" to me how your theory works then I will believe you. And Blake, come on....

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ok...so maybe if i added enough washers to the hinges of my hood, maybe i can create my own "cowl induction hood?"

In essence, what the muscle car guys are doing by adding the cowls is exactly what we are trying to do my adding the washers...

it may not create as large a pressure as those with the huge cowls, but lifting the hood will change the overall air flow dynamics over the hood creating the pressure pocket, thus helping release the hot air from under the hood...
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Again.... how will it release the air if it's letting air in?
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regardless of how you try to explain it, this will still reduce engine bay temps
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Again.... how will it release the air if it's letting air in?
you're the one with the scientific explanations...for every action theres an opposite and equal reaction right? if you are going to draw air away from something the same amount of air needs to be replaced, otherwise, you end up with a vacuum which results in stale or a lack of air under the hood of the car....the air entering from the front of the car simply allows for this movement of air through the engine bay, thus creating a cooling effect lowering temps...its as simple as that...thats what i meant by "over-analyzing" it...

in addition, the application of such a cowl on a honda (or most other imports) is different as it is not meant to act as a cold air intake mechanism like the muscle cars where their intakes are located on the top of the engine bay...
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Wow, this turned into a great debate, don't quit now guys!

My quick comment: Air comes in through grille between headlights, or under licence plate. Goes through radiator (and/or intercooler in some cases) and heats up. Hot air rises. Warm air flows past radiator and hits engine. Again, hot air rises, so goes over the engine. The only place for it to go is out the back of the hood.

I understand about the low pressure areas at the base of the windscreen etc, but the way I see it, the shape of the rear of the hood would mean that there would be air coming in in the middle (rear of hood is shaped \_/, and as such there will be more gap in the centre) and air going out at the edges, where there is less of a pressure difference.

Well that's how I see it anyway.
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alright well i like the look and i think it helps with the cooling down
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I say just take the hood OFF! lol seriously keep up with the debate of physics. just remember opinions are like assholes, and forums are full of assholes. hahahha
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also, put it this way...(forwarning, i dont know the answer to these)

So you have air rushing into the engine compartment. Then you have this low pressure area at the opening of the hood where its lifted. By physics law, this pressure difference is going to create a vacuum...how strong? i dont know. Is this pressure going to override the force of the air being forced into the engine bay which is trying to escape from the opening? I would like to think that the air you are cutting through is going to be more powerful than the suction created by the hood lift. Maybe this causes turbulence and actually hinders aerodynamics......im not a physicist so i dont know. But i can tell you that once i get into the engineering program, i will find out for you.

air is going to travel in the path of the least resistance. If the air hits the firewall, there are only one place it can go (down and under the car). With the hood lifted, and given the air force coming from the front of the car is strong than the vacuum, it gives two paths of least resistance.

side note, is the air force going from the engine compartment to the undercarriage strong enough to create a stronger vacuum at the lifted area and kill the force of the oncoming air?


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WOW....brainiac's...seriously how much a difference could it make? I think it just plain look's good, and seriously, how could it "Hurt" in the cooling sence....right? To each his own, your car's prolly ugly anyways...lol
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just remember that science is always changing. The thoughts and beliefs of today could be flip flopped in 100 years.
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just remember that science is always changing. The thoughts and beliefs of today could be flip flopped in 100 years.

dude...like science is...uhhh alway's changing bro, My though's and spritual feeling can possibly be totally flippity flopped in 100 year's....man..."Yeah"
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OGGS is a stuff a nerd in the locker type. He's only mellowed out 3 months ago.
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As it is, I wouldn't trust you washing my balls. And I typically let any trick hoe from OT do that.
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Reading this thread was like watching pulp fiction the first time...

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