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legend brake issue

so i have everything gathered and installed to run the legend brakes, only problem is that after bleeding the system three times i still have the brake pedal falling to the floor while the car is turned on. with the ignition off the brake pedal will fall more than it should but grab at the very end. am i doing something wrong here? i mounted the bleeder screw upwards to release trapped air yet it seems air is still in the lines...any thoughts/experience with these issues? any feedback greatly appreciated being i'd rather drive to work than ride my bike everyday...

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Re: legend brake issue

Are you just gravity bleeding them? Or is someone pumping them as you work the bleeder screw? Have you tried bleeding all corners instead of just the fronts?
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Re: legend brake issue

Brake lines connected? No leaks? Looks as if you were doing it the proper way by swinging the caliper upwards. What rotors are you using?
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Re: legend brake issue

one pumps the pedal three times and holds on the third, then i open the bleeder screw for one second then close. we repeated this about 5 times per wheel (including the rears) to the point where clear fluid was present with no air bubbles.

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Brake lines connected? No leaks? Looks as if you were doing it the proper way by swinging the caliper upwards. What rotors are you using?
brake lines are torqued to 25 lbs/ft and no leaks as well. i am using prelude vtec rotors, legend gs calipers, and legend ls caliper brackets (narrower than the gs brackets since i'm using narrower vtec rotors, no need for the pad shim)
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Re: legend brake issue

Did you bleed in the right order?
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Did you bleed in the right order?
RR, LR, RF, LF...how i bled the system when i had the tiny si calpers on
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Re: legend brake issue

That would be correct...hmm.... Do you have an adequate amount of brake fluid in the reservoir?
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yep yep i keep it at the max mark after each corner i bleed. dot 3 too by the way
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Re: legend brake issue

Hmm....this is weird... I have no idea man. I would try adding shims to the pads just to see if that helps...you never know. I was always under the assumption that you needed to shim the pads when using the Prelude rotors with this setup.
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^ yeah I've heard that same thing.
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Re: legend brake issue

hmm alright i'll give the shims a shot then, can't hurt. i didn't think shims would be necessary though since i'm running the narrower ls brackets that put the pads closer to the calipers (as in the pistons don't have to move out much to compensate for thinner rotors). but i'll try anything to get the prelude moving again...
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i didn't think shims would be necessary though since i'm running the narrower ls brackets that put the pads closer to the calipers
That would make sense, but...you never know. Try out the shims and let us know how it goes.
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Re: legend brake issue

im not a big help for your problem.. but if it makes you feel any better your rotors and calipers look super clean and nice!
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Re: legend brake issue

try bleeding master cylinder also might help becuz i had same problem is unbolt master cylinder pull it out about four inches and then put back in that can released trapped air also make sure the cap is on properly one more thing try hitting brakes and see if even just rr and lf brake or rf and lr work master cylinders i heard on hondas need to be replaced every so often
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you might need a bigger\new master cylinder
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Re: legend brake issue

... I GOT IT>.. your calipers are upside down. swap them to the other side. your bleeders should not face downwards. they should face upwards... air rises to the top. how i know you ask... i have the legend calipers on my lude... i did the same thing LMAO> did you get new 38mm legend rotors to go with those nice new calipers??? huge difference.
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try bleeding master cylinder also might help becuz i had same problem is unbolt master cylinder pull it out about four inches and then put back in that can released trapped air also make sure the cap is on properly one more thing try hitting brakes and see if even just rr and lf brake or rf and lr work master cylinders i heard on hondas need to be replaced every so often
i heard this too, only thing is that my brakes felt firm on the si calipers before i swapped everything around. if all else fails though i'll certainly try this out, thanks.

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im not a big help for your problem.. but if it makes you feel any better your rotors and calipers look super clean and nice!
thanks man, only thing is that brembo blanks aren't coated so they get rusty when moisture hits

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you might need a bigger\new master cylinder
i'm not sure what bigger master cylinders are out there for the prelude but i heard new ones fixing the pedal falling to the floor issue

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... I GOT IT>.. your calipers are upside down. swap them to the other side. your bleeders should not face downwards. they should face upwards... air rises to the top. how i know you ask... i have the legend calipers on my lude... i did the same thing LMAO> did you get new 38mm legend rotors to go with those nice new calipers??? huge difference.
i'm always great-full to have bustr help me on my issues...so you have the passenger caliper on the left side and vise versa? didn't know they would bolt up like that but i'll certainly give it a shot. when i bleed i have the screws pointing upwards (see picture) but it seems air is still trapped in the lines...

i'm using the thinner prelude vtec rotors actually so i don't have to drill 4x114.3. i'm using the narrower legend ls brackets to compensate for the thinner rotors as well so extra pad shims won't be necessary. i haven't heard of anyone else using ls brackets but i couldn't source the gs ones...
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heyyyy no more air in the system now! thanks bustr for the feedback, brakes are working fine now
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you might need a bigger\new master cylinder
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Re: legend brake issue

Ight so u bleedin all the brakes and they still goin down... the only thing i cud think of is your master brake cylinder.. i too had a spongy pedal but after i changed it everything was perfect, nice and stiff even the e-brake... i got drums in the rear tho, but i dnt think that makes a difference
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